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Re: Why don't you move abroad?

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Post by weatherlite »

TimK65 wrote: post #104
sethammons wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I first visited in 2011, near the Moscone Center, I saw dozens of homeless and a naked guy in a biker hat while heading to my hotel. Human shit and drug needles on the sidewalk. Last year, I am not sure I saw anything, but I was closer to the pier. It did stink like sewage on a couple of streets and nobody seemed to care.

It's worth noting that San Francisco has a long tradition of public nudity, so the naked guy probably shouldn't necessarily be included here, unless there was another reason to do so.

And also a long history of drug addicts and human shit on the streets apparently

Re: Why don't you move abroad?

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Post by yen223 »

david-gpu wrote: post #115
yen223 wrote: post #112

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It is much better that the young person tries it and decides it's not for them, than for the young person to never try and to have that doubt gnawing at them for the rest of their life.

And why would that doubt be gnawing at them for the rest of their life? Do you think it is possible that all the rah-rah "moving abroad is great" messaging could have something to do with it? Moving abroad is often a choice. Moving back can be a lot harder once you have a spouse and children.

The doubt comes from not knowing. Not knowing if a different life choice 20 years ago would have made them happier now, because they never tried.

If they gave it a go and it didn't work out, then they know, and they would have plenty of time to course-correct. There wouldn't be any doubt.

Re: Why don't you move abroad?

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Post by Melonotromo »

david-gpu wrote: post #103
viraptor wrote: post #90

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They didn't say they traveled too much. Deciding to stop something doesn't mean you overdid it.

> They didn't say they traveled too much. Indeed, that is my point: their actions did not march their narrative. They eventually realized that it wasn't all that great and corrected course. If being abroad was such a universally positive choice as they claim, they would have remained abroad.

You are mixing up different things and you don't get the point...

1. traveling gives you experiences. You don't need to travel constantly to learn and gain from traveling.

2. Moving away from home (abroad or to a big city) gives you again a lot of new experiences. New insights, new world view.

If i move home today, i'm a complet different person than my friends which never left and while certain things might look the same from the outside, its not.

Re: Why don't you move abroad?

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Post by rambambram »

card_zero wrote: post #61
hshshshshsh wrote: post #57

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Does the specificity comes from beliefs that you think about yourself?

Kinda, but like they say, if you open your mind too far, your brain falls out.

> "if you open your mind too far, your brain falls out"

Boom, thanks, and ouch... I guess.

Re: Why don't you move abroad?

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Post by david-gpu »

Melonotromo wrote: post #123
david-gpu wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They didn't say they traveled too much. Indeed, that is my point: their actions did not march their narrative. They eventually realized that it wasn't all that great and corrected course. If being abroad was such a universally positive choice as they claim, they would have remained abroad.

You are mixing up different things and you don't get the point... 1. traveling gives you experiences. You don't need to travel constantly to learn and gain from traveling. 2. Moving away from home (abroad or to a big city) gives you again a lot of new experiences. New insights, new world view. If i move home today, i'm a complet different person than my friends which never left and while certain things might look the…

> You are mixing up different things and you don't get the point

Of course I understand the upsides of traveling, and even moving abroad. I have done both myself. Here is the first comment I made on this thread:

>>> There are pros and cons to all possibilities, whether it is staying put, traveling as a tourist, or immigrating in a foreign country.

What most people who repeat these memes of "moving abroad gives you new experiences and perspectives" miss is all the negatives that can come with that. I have tried to inform people of some of the downsides that often come along with the positives, based on my experience and that of people I know.

If people want to stick to overly simplistic ideas about living abroad, they are free to do so. But I would feel I'm doing them a disservice if I did not warn of the downsides -- I wish somebody had told me about them before I left.

Re: Why don't you move abroad?

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Post by cassianoleal »

DanielHB wrote: post #74
cassianoleal wrote: post #56

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> Working in IT in Brazil means living in São Paulo It absolutely does not. Porto Alegre and Recife are 2 large IT centres where there's plenty of good jobs from large corporations to small startups. Florianópolis also had small but workable one though I don't know how it's evolved in more recent years. Salaries are certainly better in São Paulo but so is the cost of living, and for many the quality of life can be a…

Well I am from São Paulo state, I worked a few years in Campinas but I refused to move to São Paulo city. But even in Campinas (which is a somewhat decent tech center) it still was hard to find good jobs. From my point of view moving from São Paulo state to one of those other Brazilian tech centers is not that big of a leap to just move to another country.

That's fair but it's also moving the goalpost. :)

Re: Why don't you move abroad?

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Post by david-gpu »

yen223 wrote: post #122
david-gpu wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And why would that doubt be gnawing at them for the rest of their life? Do you think it is possible that all the rah-rah "moving abroad is great" messaging could have something to do with it? Moving abroad is often a choice. Moving back can be a lot harder once you have a spouse and children.

The doubt comes from not knowing. Not knowing if a different life choice 20 years ago would have made them happier now, because they never tried. If they gave it a go and it didn't work out, then they know, and they would have plenty of time to course-correct. There wouldn't be any doubt.

> and they would have plenty of time to course-correct

Not in the common scenario where they have married and had children abroad.

I do know of some people who left their country for 10+ years and returned. In all cases they had married somebody of the same nationality as theirs and moved while the children were still too young to care.

In other words, the people who can easily return typically do so. Those who don't return often want but can't for one reason or another (usually their new family).

Re: Why don't you move abroad?

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Post by tim333 »

graemep wrote: post #93
forinti wrote: post #50

I've had this lingering regret of not moving to Europe when I was young and nobody depended on me, but I am also sure that I would have had to endure racism and xenophobia there (although I do have a European passport).

> I am also sure that I would have had to endure racism and xenophobia there (although I do have a European passport). Depends where in Europe - not just country but area. I moved back to the UK seven years ago and have lived in several places since and I have had one incident of overt racism - a dodgy door to door salesman I turned away called me a "Paki". I rarely even feel that there is any underlying feeling of r…

I'm told by an Indian friend it varies quite a lot by country. He found Paris racist but London not.

Re: Why don't you move abroad?

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Post by 2-3-7-43-1807 »

Aeolun wrote: post #86
anal_reactor wrote: post #80

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I live in the Netherlands, so I'm really holding myself back not to make a joke about Belgium being bad. I recognize the text author's struggles. I live in the shit area, and when my parents were visiting, they saw drug addicts. I personally witnessed a shooting once. I have almost no friends. Despite having learnt the language to B2 level, I have zero connection with local culture. But you know what? In my home coun…

There’s a running joke amongst foreigners in Japan that if you have issues in your home country, coming to Japan isn’t magically going to fix them for you. They’ll just come along for the ride, and now you get to deal with those on top of having to deal with living in a foreign country.

That is certainly not specific to Japan. I'd say countries in SEA with their promise of cheap and available sexual adventures attracts the least pleasant kind of migrants ("expats") from the West.

Re: Why don't you move abroad?

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Post by DanielHB »

alpaccount wrote: post #102
DanielHB wrote: post #76

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I can see myself moving back to Brazil at some point, but I will never live in São Paulo or one of its suburb cities.

I could see myself living there, if criminality lowers significantly and I don't have to commute somewhere. Anything else is a no-no.

If you can work remotely you might as well live outside but close to São Paulo. Campinas, Jundiai, Santos and Guarujá are all close enough for day trips.
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