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Why don't you move abroad?

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Re: Why don't you move abroad?

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post #5

Because visas. You can't actually move anywhere (well, at least in most of Europe) without a job to sponsor you.

Also, money. It is not exactly cheap to just move to another country -- or another state in a lot of cases.

Re: Why don't you move abroad?

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post #21
post #5

Because visas. You can't actually move anywhere (well, at least in most of Europe) without a job to sponsor you.

Also, money. It is not exactly cheap to just move to another country -- or another state in a lot of cases.

Also, money. You can generally live anywhere if you drop some cash into the till.

Re: Why don't you move abroad?

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post #9

> But I was told on day one Twitter orientation to “Walk fast”. Drugged homeless people approached me, one guy tried to hit me while waiting to cross the street. WTF, is this really the reality of living in San Francisco?

I was there a few months last year and this seems like nonsense. To me it seemed like all the homelessness was restricted to a few streets like in skid row.

Re: Why don't you move abroad?

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me guess, you're from EU or USA ? Nationalism is not what's stopping most africans to move abroad. I'm lucky I was born in France so I don't have to bother with visa refusal like all my cousins in Algeria.

I am from India.

India is orders of magnitude better than most African countries. At the very least it’s safe and you can make a living. Indians actually move back to India after living in the west which doesn’t happen with Africans all that often.

Re: Why don't you move abroad?

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>Though secretly, it was to give hope to the students who were defeated by the education system and told “You can’t study Computer Science, because you didn’t know Carbon has a radioactive isotope.” Forgive me if I'm being elitist here, but this seems like a strange example of outrageous admission requirements. I would have thought knowing about radiocarbon dating (which I'm assuming this is a reference to) is common…

I interpreted it as knowing the basics of nuclear physics in order to do a CS Bachelor's degree, which is what the entrance exam for these colleges ask.

Re: Why don't you move abroad?

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To people who are considering moving abroad you should do it. Don't let nationalism stop you. You were randomly born in your country. Choose your country. Don't let randomness and some emotional baggage control where you want to live. You have a finite live. Make most of it.

I think this is a very popular view, which inspires a lot of people to go abroad or try out something like digital nomadism. Ultimately most return home after the experiment. People are deeply rooted in culture, in communities, and don't even realize it until they have gotten over the novelty of a new context and are faced with the true depth of difference, and difficulty of becoming rooted once again. The only transplants I've seen really succeed are the ones who had a shit time in their own culture or family, and can genuinely leave it all behind and take in the new culture eagerly.

Re: Why don't you move abroad?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am from India.

India is orders of magnitude better than most African countries. At the very least it’s safe and you can make a living. Indians actually move back to India after living in the west which doesn’t happen with Africans all that often.

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Re: Why don't you move abroad?

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post #9

> But I was told on day one Twitter orientation to “Walk fast”. Drugged homeless people approached me, one guy tried to hit me while waiting to cross the street. WTF, is this really the reality of living in San Francisco?

I was there a few months last year and this seems like nonsense. To me it seemed like all the homelessness was restricted to a few streets like in skid row.

Twitter HQ was in the middle of one those streets.

Re: Why don't you move abroad?

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Being in the US, my career is unfortunately the center of my universe because I rely on having it to afford literally anything else. The system here is one build on dependency, and just like in any abusive relationship, they make it very, very hard for us to leave. Our lives are about our jobs, so things like healthcare and taxation are all inextricably ties to our employers. It's not long before you start to realize you are sort of stuck with this unless you have people elsewhere or want to roll the dice on an open visa for a year in a place like Albania, hoping that in that year you get set up enough to either stay or go somewhere else.

Debt is another factor. If you're born in the US, odds are you have accrued some debt, be it student loans, credit card, housing or auto loans, etc. this requires you to have a job offering a wage that can (barely) keep up with paying off said debt. Keep in mind debt is an industry here, so once you're in it, you're in it unless you are lucky enough to have been born into some level of moderate or higher wealth.

Oh, and income? Yeah, you need to know to how code to get a remote job with the flexibility to work anywhere in the world. Maybe you get lucky with a sales job, but for that you need to be bilingual. If you grew up in the US, you were not encouraged to pursue either of those skills until very recently. Couple that with your competition in a global job market is going to be a lot steeper that what you might find in a domestic market.

If we take a Moon-eye view of the US, it's almost as though a system has been created intentionally to keep people stuck there. Many of us would love nothing more than to experience the world beyond our borders, but by the time we are 30, we are so shackled by this system that it leaving for anything more than our allotted 2 weeks annual vacation seems like a crazy risk.

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