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DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome

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Re: DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by ycombinatrix »

niutech wrote: post #837
chaosharmonic wrote: post #789

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This isn't an isolated attempt. You can see more of the same thing with Android. Here are more: - (jumping off of your second point...) Play Services does more than just handle stuff you sign into as a user -- it's also a dependency for everything from push notifications to screen casting. This actively poses issues building competing platforms, in that in order to give developers a path to shipping in your ecosyst…

You can root your Android device and replace Google Play Services with microG ( https://microg.org ).

microG doesn't pass all the integrity / attestation checks

Re: DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by beanjuiceII »

rkharsan64 wrote: post #510

People here seem to be underestimating the advantages that Google gets just because of Chrome: - When you sign in to Google, you sign in browser-wide. Google now gets all of your browsing data, perfect for advertising. (If you ever doubt it, go check out Google Takeout. You'll be shocked at the amount of data you see there.) - They have special APIs and features that they get to use, and nobody else. Only because the…

I'm happy to give all this to a cohesive experience google provides. There are competitors in this market too, but google was the first and best not sure why they deserve this blatant overstep in abuse of power

Re: DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by asadotzler »

judge2020 wrote: post #624
rkharsan64 wrote: post #510

People here seem to be underestimating the advantages that Google gets just because of Chrome: - When you sign in to Google, you sign in browser-wide. Google now gets all of your browsing data, perfect for advertising. (If you ever doubt it, go check out Google Takeout. You'll be shocked at the amount of data you see there.) - They have special APIs and features that they get to use, and nobody else. Only because the…

> - When you sign in to Google, you sign in browser-wide. Google now gets all of your browsing data, perfect for advertising. (If you ever doubt it, go check out Google Takeout. You'll be shocked at the amount of data you see there.) I have yet to see evidence that Google uses browser sync data for advertising. Go do something in chrome (look for cruises maybe), then delete the activity from myactivity.google.com, th…

>I have yet to see evidence that Google uses browser sync data for advertising.

Then you probably don't get out much:

https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/31/24167119/google-search-al...

Another major point highlighted by Fishkin and King relates to how Google may use Chrome data in its search rankings. Google Search representatives have said that they don’t use anything from Chrome for ranking, but the leaked documents suggest that may not be true. One section, for example, lists “chrome_trans_clicks” as informing which links from a domain appear below the main webpage in search results. Fishkin interprets it as meaning Google “uses the number of clicks on pages in Chrome browsers and uses that to determine the most popular/important URLs on a site, which go into the calculation of which to include in the sitelinks feature.”

Re: DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by galkk »

curiouscat321 wrote: post #5

Who would possibly buy Chrome? Letting any of the large tech companies purchase it (the only possible buyers) would just give someone else monopolistic power. Chrome can’t exist as a standalone business without being even more consumer hostile.

> Who would possibly buy Chrome?

Somehow I think that if they will decide to stay in their niche, Cloudflare might be a good fit for Chrome

Re: DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by AlienRobot »

DuckDuckGo has a web browser. Brave has a search engine. Kagi has a web browser.

It seems weird to single Google for this. Wasn't the core issue behind this that these other search engines couldn't compete with Google?

Vivaldi is a much better browser than their Chromium re-skins. Perhaps if their browsers were better people would use them instead of using Chrome. Additionally, perhaps if their search was better than Google, they would use it as well!

Google shoves AI overviews in your face now, and if that sucks, the only reasonable alternative is to use Bing currently. I can't use Brave's search or Mojeek. Brave ignores underscores. Mojeek doesn't even have a business model so it stops anyone from actually using it as a search engine. Yandex is full of results in Russian.

I wish someone would tell me what is this fabled competitor to Google that would benefit from crippling Google because so far I haven't been able to find one. I'd say the only engines better than Google are Wiby and Kiddle, because they focus on a specific niche instead of trying to compete on general web search.

Re: DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by niutech »

madeofpalk wrote: post #663
snapcaster wrote: post #615

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Open source browsers already exist though

Who pays for the development? Is the linux model viable for a browser? Open source browsers are either bad and non-competitive, or they're Firefox and still get criticism for being in the pocket of Google.

Brave or Vivaldi aren't bad. They get money from partnerships, search deals and donations.

Re: DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by Ancalagon »

curiouscat321 wrote: post #5

Who would possibly buy Chrome? Letting any of the large tech companies purchase it (the only possible buyers) would just give someone else monopolistic power. Chrome can’t exist as a standalone business without being even more consumer hostile.

I'll buy it for $5, final offer.

Re: DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by AlienRobot »

lakomen wrote: post #554

State owned web browser might be a thing. If it's in the interest of many the state should pay for it. I know what you're thinking, "but that's communism". Well, you can't clench and fart, how they say. This of course adds new problems, like backdooring by 3 letter agencies, corruption, abuse by politicians who exclude certain countries by agenda etc

No, I'm thinking why would I, a Brazilian, use a U.S. web browser.
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