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DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome

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Re: DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by moffkalast »

binkHN wrote: post #590
pjc50 wrote: post #548

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is this: - the browser is undeniably critical as everyone's window through which they view the online world; - the user gains a huge amount of value by a browser being integrated into the OS, webviews in other applications, etc - browsers aren't really a self funding product - having a single for-profit US advertising company control everyone's view of the online world, however slightly (e.g. by obstructi…

> A very artificial arrangement where Google pay "arms length browserco" to maintain [a browser]? Sounds almost like Firefox.

Google to Mozilla: "I'm gonna pay you 400M a year for antitrust to fuck off"

Seems like it didn't work though.

Re: DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by IX-103 »

water9 wrote: post #575
ENGNR wrote: post #537

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't be evil was only the wifi password

They changed it to make it longer.its now “Dont Forget To Be Evil”

No, they just corrected the punctuation. It's now "Don't. Be evil!" Reflecting their inability to do almost anything, and their lack of morals when they do.

Re: DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by tannhaeuser »

Selling off Chrome might help, or it might just be the lesser evil/a pawn sacrifice in order to prevent split up of AdSense from Google Search (which is in obvious conflict of interest, as Google's ad business is already under scrutiny under alleged price fixing along with Meta), or of YouTube. Neither Google's acquisition of YouTube nor that of DoubleClick should've been allowed in the first place under any reasonable antitrust enforcement, the purpose of which is to prevent exactly this kind of monopoly.

Re: DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by scarface_74 »

lopis wrote: post #571
addicted wrote: post #446

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Google isn’t “getting targeted”. But to answer your question. 1. Microsoft gets left alone - Really? You may want to ask the closest adult near you about this. 2. Amazon - The government has looked into Amazon multiple times. It’s hard to see where Amazon does anything to illegally use its monopoly (they don’t use their shopping advantage to cross sell AWS in any way, or Vice versa). Amazon is genuinely not a bad mon…

> hey don’t use their shopping advantage to cross sell AWS in any way, or Vice versa Isn't AWS directly sponsoring Amazon by essentially letting them run the biggest online retailer for free, which other retailers can't? And Amazon in itself is a terrible monopoly because it has unfair access to all user purchase data, while also selling their own amazon products on their platform.

AWS charges Amazon to use their servers as it does any other big business. If your department can’t be profitable taking into account your AWS bill, questions will be asked.

It happened to something related to an internal game studio (???)

When I was there, our department’s use of the internal system for creating sandbox accounts (Isengard) was charged against our profit and loss.

If you are a big enough customer, you can get rates similar to what AWS charges Amazon.

Re: DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by Loic »

mrkramer wrote: post #595
rkharsan64 wrote: post #510

People here seem to be underestimating the advantages that Google gets just because of Chrome: - When you sign in to Google, you sign in browser-wide. Google now gets all of your browsing data, perfect for advertising. (If you ever doubt it, go check out Google Takeout. You'll be shocked at the amount of data you see there.) - They have special APIs and features that they get to use, and nobody else. Only because the…

Google realized if they don't control the search distribution they gonna lose out sooner or later; which is kinda contradictory for them if they claim Google is the best search out there and that they are constantly improving it and that's why(they say), people choose it over other alternatives. But tbh distribution of your product/s is crucial. Just look at Microsoft and their internet strategy, they chose the other…

> Fortunately this didn't work out for them but unfortunately that worked out for Google.

No, Google was better, then they used Chrome as an extremely powerful moat to protect their situation. Google at first was like magic compared to the Altavista of the time.

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Post by blcArmadillo »

rkharsan64 wrote: post #510

People here seem to be underestimating the advantages that Google gets just because of Chrome: - When you sign in to Google, you sign in browser-wide. Google now gets all of your browsing data, perfect for advertising. (If you ever doubt it, go check out Google Takeout. You'll be shocked at the amount of data you see there.) - They have special APIs and features that they get to use, and nobody else. Only because the…

> - AOSP (the open source counterpart of Android) is now unusable. It doesn't ship with most essential apps, including a Phone app. In previous versions of Android, all of these were a part of AOSP.

This particular example is a bit misleading as those apps are still available; they're just unbundled from the system image: https://source.android.com/docs/automotive/unbundled_apps/re...

Re: DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by didntcheck »

atahanacar wrote: post #536
rfoo wrote: post #531

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> If you ever doubt it, go check out Google Takeout. You'll be shocked at the amount of data you see there. I sign in browser-wide and I do takeouts regularly. I don't see my browsing data. > It doesn't ship with most essential apps, including a Phone app. In previous versions of Android, all of these were a part of AOSP. And back when they were part of AOSP I never saw these example apps in the wild. Every vendor sh…

You've disabled the option to see it. Your data is still being collected.

That's unfalsifiable conjecture. I could just as easily assert that dang is building secret dossiers on all of us from our IP-request logs - we just can't see it

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Post by AlgebraFox »

tgmatt wrote: post #214

Maybe this will lead to Chromium finally getting proper vertical tabs which Google clearly otherwise block due to it eating up horizontal real estate that would otherwise be used for ads.

I assumed this theory long back and I thought I was alone. Now it's great to see someone else has same theory.
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