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Re: DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by lopis »

addicted wrote: post #446
SpEd3Y wrote: post #417

Arguably out of the big 4 (Google, Microsoft, Apple, Amazon) Google gave the most back to humanity: Android, Chromium, Kubernetes, Google Office suite, the Go programming language, Tensor Flow, Alpha Fold (and Google DeepMind), donating to Linux, etc. All these are things everyone has access to precisely because Google is such a big player and can afford to lose money on innovation that fails. What did Microsoft and…

Google isn’t “getting targeted”. But to answer your question. 1. Microsoft gets left alone - Really? You may want to ask the closest adult near you about this. 2. Amazon - The government has looked into Amazon multiple times. It’s hard to see where Amazon does anything to illegally use its monopoly (they don’t use their shopping advantage to cross sell AWS in any way, or Vice versa). Amazon is genuinely not a bad mon…

> hey don’t use their shopping advantage to cross sell AWS in any way, or Vice versa

Isn't AWS directly sponsoring Amazon by essentially letting them run the biggest online retailer for free, which other retailers can't? And Amazon in itself is a terrible monopoly because it has unfair access to all user purchase data, while also selling their own amazon products on their platform.

Re: DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by Timber-6539 »

jimjambw wrote: post #551
Timber-6539 wrote: post #549

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything here you accuse Google of doing, Apple is running circles on. Ultimately, if this case goes through Google are right about one thing. The UX on Chrome is going to take a steep nose dive.

In what way?

Who is going to provide a competitive browser for the price of $0 other than Google?

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Post by niutech »

guerrilla wrote: post #509
addicted wrote: post #446

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google isn’t “getting targeted”. But to answer your question. 1. Microsoft gets left alone - Really? You may want to ask the closest adult near you about this. 2. Amazon - The government has looked into Amazon multiple times. It’s hard to see where Amazon does anything to illegally use its monopoly (they don’t use their shopping advantage to cross sell AWS in any way, or Vice versa). Amazon is genuinely not a bad mon…

> You may want to ask the closest adult near you about this. This doesn't belong on this site. Find another way to say it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Cor....

Re: DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by water9 »

lofaszvanitt wrote: post #556
pjc50 wrote: post #548

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is this: - the browser is undeniably critical as everyone's window through which they view the online world; - the user gains a huge amount of value by a browser being integrated into the OS, webviews in other applications, etc - browsers aren't really a self funding product - having a single for-profit US advertising company control everyone's view of the online world, however slightly (e.g. by obstructi…

Browsers should be developed by an intercountry nonprofit. Funded by all the countries' governments.

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Re: DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by water9 »

ENGNR wrote: post #537
jajko wrote: post #521

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How far can one go from 'don't be evil', right. And that's one aspect of one product. Company-wide list would be probably impressive in the worst way possible

Don't be evil was only the wifi password

They changed it to make it longer.its now “Dont Forget To Be Evil”

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Post by davemp »

dataflow wrote: post #325
wesselbindt wrote: post #306

I'm very surprised by the number of people in this thread who don't seem to understand that monopolies are _very_ bad for consumers.

> I'm very surprised by the number of people in this thread who don't seem to understand that monopolies are _very_ bad for consumers. Bad for consumers , how? Financially? How does that translate to the current situation? The average "consumer" here is paying $0.00 for Google, Chrome, Gmail, Maps, Flights, Docs, Sheets, Chat, Meet, Books, Scholar, Shopping, YouTube, News, Groups, Voice... how are you going to argue…

> Do you imagine Microsoft or Apple would've created better search, email, news, etc., or that the mom & pop shop down the store would've done that?

Yes, enthusiastically yes. With the exception of maybe search, products like gmail, docs, and sheets are basic projects tossed out into the ecosystem for free to suck up all the oxygen for minimal dev cost. How is an upstart supposed to compete with a better mail/doc/spreadsheet app if the basic use case is covered for free by some loss leader funded from a different vertical?

Most of these classes of apps have been stagnant for decades.

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Post by niutech »

moody__ wrote: post #525

A lot of discussion in this thread is pointing out that chromium is a thing and that it would be hard for a company to properly fund a web browser without the backing of a tech giant whose more direct revenue stream is elsewhere. I think this showcases a larger issue with the web as it stands today. Why has building a browser for the "open web" become such a complex piece of software that it requires the graces of a…

> Can nothing be done to the web to lower the barrier to entry such that an independent group (a la OpenBSD or similar) can maintain their own?

Of course it can and it is done: Linux Foundation Europe runs Servo, GNOME Foundation runs WebKitGTK and Epiphany, Ladybird Browser Initiative runs Ladybird.

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Post by niutech »

lxgr wrote: post #191
legitster wrote: post #153

I'm all for competition and increasing consumer choices, but the government is really not making a case that this is supposed to help consumers. The only reason I still use Chrome is because I already use other Google products and they integrate well together. There are many other better options out there otherwise, and they are all free. Breaking out Chrome from Google will not in any way benefit me as a consumer. >…

> There are many other better options out there otherwise, and they are all free. For how long, though? The trajectory for Firefox doesn’t look good at all (and it’s completely dependent on Google too). Apple are doing their share of anticompetitive shenanigans with Safari on iOS, although the other way around. Everything else is based on Chromium and therefore not contributing to any heterogeneity of implementations…

Not everything else is based on Chromium - see: Epiphany, Servo, Ladybird.
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