I think at this point that a Fischer Price SmartPhone could lead to BlackBerry's death.
Why Windows SmartPhone 8 Launch Can Lead To BlackBerry’s Death
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Re: Why Windows SmartPhone 8 Launch Can Lead To BlackBerry’s Death
#22I'm sure it will. WP has superior features to BlackBerry OS (esp Facebook, twitter integration, messaging) and the devices are cheaper than comparable Blackberry, Android and iOS devices. Market share is also finally growing. It's a killer platform already - they just need to sort out the marketing and get through all the Android/iOS fanboy FUD out there against it.
Globally, WP isn't large enough yet to register on Statcounters global metrics, but:
* In NA, 1.0% to 0.97% drop from May to June: http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-na-monthly-201106-20120...
* In Europe, 1.23% to 1.36% rise from May to June: http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-eu-monthly-201106-20120...
Stats from Netmarketstats shows a much larger global decline, so I think we can conclude that WP is barely growing it's overall marketshare. I expect the WP8 announcement (rather, the WP7.8 announcement) will lead to reduced sales until WP8 is released (hopefully) later this year.
As for Android/iOS fanboy FUD, what exactly would you be referring to?
Re: Why Windows SmartPhone 8 Launch Can Lead To BlackBerry’s Death
#23I'm sure it will. WP has superior features to BlackBerry OS (esp Facebook, twitter integration, messaging) and the devices are cheaper than comparable Blackberry, Android and iOS devices. Market share is also finally growing. It's a killer platform already - they just need to sort out the marketing and get through all the Android/iOS fanboy FUD out there against it.
Globally, WP isn't large enough yet to register on Statcounters global metrics, but: * In NA, 1.0% to 0.97% drop from May to June: http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-na-monthly-201106-20120... * In Europe, 1.23% to 1.36% rise from May to June: http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-eu-monthly-201106-20120... Stats from Netmarketstats shows a much larger global decline, so I think we can conclude that WP is barely gro…
Statcounter is a horse shit merchant. It's a bad choice for measuring market share statistics for anything. Let's take a look at this specific case and why it's wrong:
1. A lot of WP devices announce themselves as IE desktop rather than mobile.
2. People in the EU still primarily use them for messaging, email only. I rarely see people "on the web" on their mobile devices.
3. Apps requests do not necessarily count in the statistics and the majority of the time people spend is in apps (WP has native FB, ebay, Twitter apps etc). WP has decent native apps for pretty much everything.
The only thing that matters statistically are sales and retention which are numbers that are not uniformly available for any platform.
Re: fanboy FUD is the inevitable "Windows Phone sucks" mantra from people who have never even set eyes on a device.
Re: Why Windows SmartPhone 8 Launch Can Lead To BlackBerry’s Death
#24Some decent points there, but misses one key point. The rise of the Bring Your Own Device in the enterprise.
A lot of companies seem to be experimenting with this as an alternative to another round of phone purchases, so the era of the company purchased phone may be coming to an end. All you need is a phone with a good ActiveSync implementation for Exchange integration and you are good to go. Employee like it as they only have to carry one device, Companies like it as it saves them money. It's a rare win/win for both sides.
While I'm sure Windows Phone will work well in this environment, it doesn't help much unless consumers start buying the phones in the first place.
Re: Why Windows SmartPhone 8 Launch Can Lead To BlackBerry’s Death
#25I've owned a couple of BlackBerry and each new one was a worse experience than its predecessor. I was pretty happy with my Bold 9000, by that time it was convenient, fast and very good at email and texts (what I do mostly). Then others caught up. The newer BlackBerry had a crappy keyboard and they weren't very good at playing MP3 and there were very few applications. At some point I gave up and I switched to the Lumi…
> I knew the heart of Windows CE was very good (very solid real time Operating System) That's been scrapped for Windows Phone 8 though. It is NT-based.
Indeed.
Without wanting to gush too much, but NT is a wonderful piece of technology. It's orders of magnitude better than anything else on the market without a doubt for any application.
The bit people have the "hate problem" with is the Win32 subsystem that is chucked on top of it.
Re: Why Windows SmartPhone 8 Launch Can Lead To BlackBerry’s Death
#26Some decent points there, but misses one key point. The rise of the Bring Your Own Device in the enterprise. A lot of companies seem to be experimenting with this as an alternative to another round of phone purchases, so the era of the company purchased phone may be coming to an end. All you need is a phone with a good ActiveSync implementation for Exchange integration and you are good to go. Employee like it as they…
This is what we're doing. WP works very well in this environment already and the handsets are dirt cheap.
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I knew the heart of Windows CE was very good (very solid real time Operating System) That's been scrapped for Windows Phone 8 though. It is NT-based.
Indeed. Without wanting to gush too much, but NT is a wonderful piece of technology. It's orders of magnitude better than anything else on the market without a doubt for any application. The bit people have the "hate problem" with is the Win32 subsystem that is chucked on top of it.
I've got many years of experience working with the NT kernel world (filesystem layer especially) and I can't upvote you enough. There aren't that many OS that have a working, unified, cache, a good hardware abstraction layer or the possibility to run any subsystem.
My only regret is that Microsoft didn't open the subsystem API enough. I submit they want to keep some freedom in this area.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
Globally, WP isn't large enough yet to register on Statcounters global metrics, but: * In NA, 1.0% to 0.97% drop from May to June: http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-na-monthly-201106-20120... * In Europe, 1.23% to 1.36% rise from May to June: http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-eu-monthly-201106-20120... Stats from Netmarketstats shows a much larger global decline, so I think we can conclude that WP is barely gro…
Statcounter is a horse shit merchant. It's a bad choice for measuring market share statistics for anything. Let's take a look at this specific case and why it's wrong: 1. A lot of WP devices announce themselves as IE desktop rather than mobile. 2. People in the EU still primarily use them for messaging, email only. I rarely see people "on the web" on their mobile devices. 3. Apps requests do not necessarily count in…
So your basis for "marketing share growing" is a Comscore report based on a survey in the United States? The only way you would know how many WP are sold is you work on certain parts of WP at Microsoft. I know someone who does, and, although no specific numbers were given, he gives off the impression that WP growth has not been good, and that the Lumia launch was, to put it nicely, disappointing.
And the inevitable " sucks" mantra comes from fanboys from every platform, including WP. Care to explain why that FUD hasn't influenced the growth of iOS and Android?
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I knew the heart of Windows CE was very good (very solid real time Operating System) That's been scrapped for Windows Phone 8 though. It is NT-based.
Indeed. Without wanting to gush too much, but NT is a wonderful piece of technology. It's orders of magnitude better than anything else on the market without a doubt for any application. The bit people have the "hate problem" with is the Win32 subsystem that is chucked on top of it.
I believe Windows NT is wonderful as well. But it wasn't designed as a real-time OS, whereas CE was; hence the comments that CE was "scrapped" for NT in Windows Phone 8.
The lack of real-time handling probably won't have much impact on the phone platform, since users (the primary interface consumers of the OS) don't operate anywhere near "real-time" anyway.
Re: Why Windows SmartPhone 8 Launch Can Lead To BlackBerry’s Death
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
Indeed. Without wanting to gush too much, but NT is a wonderful piece of technology. It's orders of magnitude better than anything else on the market without a doubt for any application. The bit people have the "hate problem" with is the Win32 subsystem that is chucked on top of it.
I believe Windows NT is wonderful as well. But it wasn't designed as a real-time OS, whereas CE was; hence the comments that CE was "scrapped" for NT in Windows Phone 8. The lack of real-time handling probably won't have much impact on the phone platform, since users (the primary interface consumers of the OS) don't operate anywhere near "real-time" anyway.
This is true. I think most of the RT stuff i.e. GSM/3G stuff is offloaded onto dedicated devices.