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DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome

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Re: DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by nielsbot »

UncleMeat wrote: post #218
legitster wrote: post #153

I'm all for competition and increasing consumer choices, but the government is really not making a case that this is supposed to help consumers. The only reason I still use Chrome is because I already use other Google products and they integrate well together. There are many other better options out there otherwise, and they are all free. Breaking out Chrome from Google will not in any way benefit me as a consumer. >…

For years people have complained "ugh Google is selling your data, how awful" and here is the government seeking to mandate that Google sell your data! There's no way that this is the right remedy.

How so?

Re: DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by elashri »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #260
elashri wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The DOJ is after monopoly in search space (and how Google is using chrome position to strengthen the search monopoly) not the browser space itself (Which is another monopoly but to less extend). People don't look into one product and DOJ are not naive to fall into this trap.

Then pass a law that says all browsers must give a choice of search engine. I'm not sure your right though.

As you might know. DOJ is not able to pass laws for obvious reasons. They do enforce the current laws. Google is free to lobby for such law as they do with other things.

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Post by exabrial »

DimuP wrote: post #227
exabrial wrote: post #15

Chrome??? Dude. THAT plus: * Android * Search * Advertising * YouTube Smash it into tiny pieces. Then the same for Apple and Facebook. We've been stalled for technological progress for 15+ years. Tear down the giants holding us back.

Do that in a simulator and see how the world starts to tear apart

I love every moment of it.

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Post by gnabgib »

hilbert42 wrote: post #258
st3fan wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The only reason I still use Chrome is because I already use other Google products and they integrate well together. And that is exactly why Chrome should be broken up/out. It is unfair competition. And you say there are many other well working options out there but that is simply not true. Googles web applications work best on Chrome and often break on non Chrome browsers. Mostly because of changes to those web app…

"And that is exactly why Chrome should be broken up/out." Exactly, we saw this with MS's IE 2—3 decades ago. That governments didn't learn from this and let it repeat with Chrome is so damn annoying.

Ah three decades ago, a year before Internet Explorer was released[0], and 7 months after Netscape was released[1], easy to correct in hindsight.

Two decades ago IE6 was already 3yo, Safari 1 was 1yo, and it would take 4 years for Chrome to drop[2].

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netscape [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome

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Post by Rohansi »

crazygringo wrote: post #63
XorNot wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I genuinely have no idea what "missing features" or incompatibilities keep people on Chrome compared to the benefits of uBlock just plain working better on Firefox.

uBlock Origin Lite works perfectly fine for me on Chrome. Maybe there's some 0.01% of ads that would get blocked in the Firefox version that aren't in Chrome. But I don't see any regular users switching because they're noticing ads not getting blocked now.

It works fine for now. As soon as Manifest V2 is officially gone you will certainly see an increase in ads. What ad company wouldn't take advantage of more limited ad blocking capabilities in the most popular web browser?

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Post by rtpg »

graeme wrote: post #230
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> only reason I still use Chrome is because I already use other Google products and they integrate well together This is the point. Google's products integrate with Chrome better than non-Google products. Including its ad platform.

But where is the consumer benefit?

consumer benefit is not the end all of antitrust.

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Post by move-on-by »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #172

What kind of continuity can be expected when the head of the DoJ is a political appointee by the president, and we're getting a new president in 2 months with radically different ideas compared to our current one?

I’m not sure, but per the article it’s a continuation of it’s beginning:

> The case was filed under the first Trump administration and continued under President Joe Biden.

Re: DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by DiggyJohnson »

lxgr wrote: post #191
legitster wrote: post #153

I'm all for competition and increasing consumer choices, but the government is really not making a case that this is supposed to help consumers. The only reason I still use Chrome is because I already use other Google products and they integrate well together. There are many other better options out there otherwise, and they are all free. Breaking out Chrome from Google will not in any way benefit me as a consumer. >…

> There are many other better options out there otherwise, and they are all free. For how long, though? The trajectory for Firefox doesn’t look good at all (and it’s completely dependent on Google too). Apple are doing their share of anticompetitive shenanigans with Safari on iOS, although the other way around. Everything else is based on Chromium and therefore not contributing to any heterogeneity of implementations…

Can anyone think of a hero to save us?

Re: DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by bryan_w »

BadHumans wrote: post #255
4b11b4 wrote: post #160

This doesn't seem helpful... Yet, Microsoft owning Chrome feels better. They are less incentivized to bake in features related to advertising.

Is this sarcasm? Because Windows 11 has a ton of ads and more ads/telemetry are getting added with every update.

It's very weird to see that same point brought up multiple times in this thread. It makes me worried that this all was cooked up my M$ all along (A company which doesn't have any antitrust litigation being brought against them despite putting ads in their latest operating system)
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