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Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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nightski wrote: post #127
lxgr wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> using the 4th wealthiest company on earth's browser that I freely installed. 99% of the time I use Chrome it's because some site does not support Firefox (and that often includes Google sites/apps). (The 1% are for APIs that Firefox, consciously or out of resource constraints, does not support.) In what sense am I "freely installing" Chrome in this situation? Just today I had a family member reach out to me, unable…

I don't understand this because I have used Firefox exclusively since it first came out and never run into broken sites. What exactly are these exotic sites you are visiting that break in Firefox? You mentioned an elusive government website but I have used many (IRS, SSA, Edu, etc...)

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Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by spoaceman7777 »

lxgr wrote: post #123
pphysch wrote: post #117

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The onus is on the app developer to make sure their app runs on a variety of platforms. It's not Chrome's fault for third party developers being lazy and not supporting Firefox.

>It's not Chrome's fault for third party developers being lazy and not supporting Firefox. What if it's Google themselves? From my original post: > [...] and that often includes Google sites/apps

Are you objecting to single sign on or something? Or some browser extension that is only published for Chrome? What are you talking about?

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by rty32 »

nobleach wrote: post #115
MBCook wrote: post #11

Yes. If it works on Chrome, no one cares or even tests for other things. If there is a JS feature in Chrome they want to use, so it’s impossible to use other browsers (instead of looking wrong) people do it. Performs fine in Chrome? Ship it. Yes, Chrome is the new IE in that it’s the only browsers companies care about, just like IE was for a very long time. Everything has to be Chrome compatible to succeed. That’s th…

No, I dont think this is the case. While a lot of devs use Chrome while developing, we're all well aware that 50% or more of US users are using an iPhone. And that's Safari no matter what. So many do a ton of testing there as well. Firefox often gets the shaft.

I know as a matter of fact that many teams'/companys' approach is "We'll develop and run our CI tests on Chrome only. If it breaks on Firefox or Safari, we'll fix it, but that's as much as what we care about." And I'll be honest, for many organizations, it's a good business and financial move.

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by yoavm »

fellowniusmonk wrote: post #96

No not even close by every single possible measure. I was there, I suffered through it, Google would have to make TONS of hostile moves for that fact to change. I have no interest in the arguments of a closed source subscription service that wants me to switch to the bundled browser of the wealthiest company on earth's most popular consumer OS, lecturing me about using the 4th wealthiest company on earth's browser th…

> Google would have to make TONS of hostile moves for that fact to change

I think the biggest issue with IE6 was not the hostile moves Microosft did, it is that it didn't do anything. The browser was just frozen. That's why it was relatively easy for Firefox to take a marketshare.

Frankly, with some of the APIs Google are adding to Chrome, I'd rather they'd do a little less.

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by Zardoz84 »

MBCook wrote: post #11

Yes. If it works on Chrome, no one cares or even tests for other things. If there is a JS feature in Chrome they want to use, so it’s impossible to use other browsers (instead of looking wrong) people do it. Performs fine in Chrome? Ship it. Yes, Chrome is the new IE in that it’s the only browsers companies care about, just like IE was for a very long time. Everything has to be Chrome compatible to succeed. That’s th…

I do opposite. I develop and test over Firefox. If it works on Firefox, would work on anything (plus I always doing transpilation to baseline)

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by nasmorn »

fellowniusmonk wrote: post #129
lxgr wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It's not Chrome's fault for third party developers being lazy and not supporting Firefox. What if it's Google themselves? From my original post: > [...] and that often includes Google sites/apps

[Citation Needed] What google site or service requires Chrome?

Meet is as shitty on Safari as Google feels they can get away with

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by pjmlp »

fellowniusmonk wrote: post #96

No not even close by every single possible measure. I was there, I suffered through it, Google would have to make TONS of hostile moves for that fact to change. I have no interest in the arguments of a closed source subscription service that wants me to switch to the bundled browser of the wealthiest company on earth's most popular consumer OS, lecturing me about using the 4th wealthiest company on earth's browser th…

It definitely is, I was also there, just like everyone was doing IE only sites, not only plenty of people do the same with ChromeOS vision of the Web, they ship Chrome alongside Electron crap.

Safari is the last man standing before a ChromeOS world.

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by graemep »

poincaredisk wrote: post #130
nightski wrote: post #127

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I don't understand this because I have used Firefox exclusively since it first came out and never run into broken sites. What exactly are these exotic sites you are visiting that break in Firefox? You mentioned an elusive government website but I have used many (IRS, SSA, Edu, etc...)

This is also my experience. But to be fair I have a heavily modified privacy-centric Firefox, and I disabled some features in the config, and I disable js and large images and of course tracking/ads by default, and I delete most cookies on browser close, and I run Wayland on Linux so... any breakage is probably on me.

I almost always find that when sites do not work with Firefox (also Wayland on Linux) it works with Firefox (on the same machine) without the same plugins and settings.

Enabling JS is not enough, so I think its liked to privacy plugins, or running inside a container.

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by pjmlp »

wseqyrku wrote: post #15
MBCook wrote: post #11

Yes. If it works on Chrome, no one cares or even tests for other things. If there is a JS feature in Chrome they want to use, so it’s impossible to use other browsers (instead of looking wrong) people do it. Performs fine in Chrome? Ship it. Yes, Chrome is the new IE in that it’s the only browsers companies care about, just like IE was for a very long time. Everything has to be Chrome compatible to succeed. That’s th…

> If it works on Chrome, no one cares or even tests for other things. We've been through an extensive standardization pass for this to not happen. Anything not matching the specification whether in Chrome or any other browser should be considered a bug. This is not at all the same as IE, where it just went its own way.

ChromeOS and Project Fungu.
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