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Re: Teen behind hundreds of swatting attacks pleads guilty to federal charges

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This seems like a genetic fallacy. Police might have been former slave patrollers at one time in some places. That doesn’t mean all US police are the same or have anything in common with them. I’m not sure what it means for US police to have “evolved out of” slave patrols in places that never had slaves, like New York City (northern states didn’t want to enforce the Fugitive Slave Act), or even in places like Hawaii…

Specifically, SWAT teams didn’t exist until the 1960s. I’d wager their escalated use against civilians in their homes likely coincided with the War on Drugs in the 1980s.

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Simple solution: only allow weapons that existed during the creation of the Second Amendment.

And the First should only cover religions, forms of speech, printing technologies, venues of public assembly, and petitioning grievances that existed before it was "created"?

The argument that the grandparent is making is that the U.S. Supreme Court recently created legal president that only restrictions on firearms that have similar laws that were enforced during the creation of the Second Amendment can be considered constitutional under the Second Amendment. The argument that that means only firearms similar to those available at the time of the passing the Second Amendment sounds largely similar to the thinking.

And be careful about brining the First Amendment into that... the First Amendment as it was understood by its creators was not about your write to say anything you wanted without government response, it was about your right to publish your own newspaper (or broadsheet/advertisement) without the government issuing you a license or collecting a tax (both of which the colonial government did).

The second amendment was ratified in 1791, and just 7 years later (1978) the Alien and Sedition Acts were ratified by congress, in large part other silence critics of the federal government by making it illegal to say "false, scandalous, and malicious" about it (with the exception of about the Vice-President). And it was absolutely used as a political tool, and this was approved of by the Supreme Court at the time.

So I don't think that anyone really wants this horrible president that the modern Supreme Court has yoked us with. Unfortunately, given the election results, it appears we are going to be subject to these horrible ideas for a whole generation.

Re: Teen behind hundreds of swatting attacks pleads guilty to federal charges

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A European swatting may be highly unlikely to succeed in killing somebody, but the murderous intent is still there. It should be punished as attempted murder both in America and Europe.

6 years is the baseline for attempted murder in denmark.

What's the baseline for 100s of attempted murders?

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Simple solution: only allow weapons that existed during the creation of the Second Amendment.

That's actually a bad solution. Weapons weren't much less brutal then, mostly just less precise. You'd have people accidentally shooting bystanders in armed conflicts.

We already have that: spray-and-prey is common, as are bystanders killed (even those who are just going about their lives in their own homes). But the weapons of the day were single-shot before reloading. In your argument we would only be reducing the number of bystanders reasonably shot.

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GP merely said “armed”, not “brandishing”.

That feels like a weird category to use IMO. People who brandish are armed but not all armed people are brandishing. More to the point, if you went to your local PDs website and watched body cam from the last 10 shootings, how many do you think would be involve law abiding gun owners with CCWs using guns in a way consistent with the 2nd Amendment vs people brandishing or using their guns in a criminal and/or dangerou…

Again, I am not the one using that category; I am responding to its use.

How many were using their guns in a dangerous and/or criminal way? We may never know, because they were deprived of their right to the trial by jury which would have determined that.

Re: Teen behind hundreds of swatting attacks pleads guilty to federal charges

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He could face local charges in those jurisdictions? Does double jeopardy prevent each county seeking their own sentence?

Yes, they can't charge him again for the same physical act. His federal guilty plea appears to admit to 375 swatting calls. So I don't think the state or local courts can subsequently charge him for any of those calls - they would need to find evidence of some separate calls.

IANAL, but some googling suggests you are wrong about that:

https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/blog/federal-crimes/is-it-doubl...

Re: Teen behind hundreds of swatting attacks pleads guilty to federal charges

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>USA has 1-2 mass shootings everyday on average. 2+ victims is a mass shooting per the FBI definition so while what you say is technically true it's also a particularly evil way to mislead the reader as the typical mass shooting of the FBI definition consists of 2-4 people shot over the course of an otherwise normal crime wheres the colloquial definition of "mass shooting" is more along the lines of a crazy suicidal…

The USA is the only first-world country I'm aware of where many people are happy to argue that a 2+ victim shooting (in any context) is NOT a mass shooting.

"2" being a large number of people to be killed in a crime does not necessarily make it sensible (to me, a Dutchman, very much not American) to call that crime a "mass shooting". If the crime was e.g. a bank robbery (sorry for the unimaginative example), and they shot a member of staff and later a civilian to get away, then that's a robbery with two dead, not a mass shooting. What people imagine when you say "mass shooting" is sensational stories from (predominantly) the US where some mad kid takes a gun to a school and shoots around. If that kid shoots 2 people, that's a mass shooting with 2 dead.

Re: Teen behind hundreds of swatting attacks pleads guilty to federal charges

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In Europe this would have been a completely different story. It's highly unlikely (compared to the US) that a SWAT team equivalent would kill anyone. The guy could have got away with 5-7 years max. I know it's a museum, but I prefer to live here.

I have been following swatting incidents of content creators for years and I have learned that police jurisdictions where this happens frequently in are becoming wiser and spreading information around, so the threat of getting killed from a swatting incident has gone down. Places with pockets of content creators like Austin Texas have become very aware of these types of things. If you are a content creator, or someon…

Ye olde 4chan's reputation for being an evil website is funny in retrospect. The mortality rate on phony pizza deliveries is pretty close to zero and harmless compared to what goes down on the internet these days.

Re: Teen behind hundreds of swatting attacks pleads guilty to federal charges

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To be ever so slightly sympathetic to American cops, unlike just about anywhere else in the developed world, it is plausible that the person behind the door is armed with anything up to an automatic rifle, and any random person they stop may be carrying a concealed firearm. Given that, if I was busting down doors in the US, I’d want to be armed to the teeth, equipped with the best body armour money can buy, and would…

>Blame the Second Amendment as currently interpreted. It's been largely interpreted this way throughout most of our history, until around the 1960s when civil rights activists started carrying them. All the modern gun regulation started then. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act Of course 1934 gun control came about due to people like Al Capone and the like.

No, you have history on its head. It was not seen as an absolute until the , and 2008, in District of Columbia v. Heller, then strengthened in 2010 in McDonald v. City of Chicago. Prior to that reasonable regulations were allowed (and what is reasonable was hotly debated) were permitted, so long as there were legitimate government interests.

The main point of the Second Amendment from the framers perspective was to prevent the need (or even the existence) of a standing army. Of course from a modern perspective this is near-ridiculous.

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> the concept of the modern police, at least in the US, was largely based on the Peelian model created in London in the 1820s. There are some pretty big differences between the UK policing model and the one used in the US. The UK model was set up against the backdrop of the Napoleonic Wars (the French police's role included monitoring dissent, suppressing political opposition [1] and even censoring books) and the Pet…

The previous comments weren't specific to America. This is a global website.

> the modern police, at least in the US,
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