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Biden Allows Ukraine to Strike Russia with Long-Range U.S. Missiles

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Re: Biden Allows Ukraine to Strike Russia with Long-Range U.S. Missiles

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Post by bingohbangoh »

jsiepkes wrote: post #24
bingohbangoh wrote: post #16

does nobody think this will risk nuclear war? Is this really a place we want to risk it? I'm amazed at the comments section here

You think letting Russia harass and invade their former vazal states is without risk? They've occupied eastern Europe until 1989. With the invasion of Crimea in 2014 they've basically only not harassed and not occupied eastern European countries for only 25 years. The only thing which provokes Russia is weakness.

So we all blow ourselves up and kill everybody? † To own Russia?

†: everybody == a lot of people, just to be clear

Re: Biden Allows Ukraine to Strike Russia with Long-Range U.S. Missiles

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Post by bingohbangoh »

asdf123qweasd wrote: post #54
bingohbangoh wrote: post #16

does nobody think this will risk nuclear war? Is this really a place we want to risk it? I'm amazed at the comments section here

Better to be dead then to be a slave in russia- which almost always means you will become a slave dragged against your will to the trenches to die in another enslavement campaign. So the choice boils down russia or not russia - and beeing dead either way.

this is an insane reply and proves why NATO never put nuclear weapons in russia-adjacent states like the Baltics

Nuclear war is not something to be lightly risked

Re: Biden Allows Ukraine to Strike Russia with Long-Range U.S. Missiles

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Post by michtzik »

MrHamburger wrote: post #37
nradov wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which Eastern European country do you mean? Most are already NATO members. Of those that aren't, Belarus is already a Russian client state, Serbia is too far away, and Moldova is too poor to do anything.

What's the point of NATO membership, when chief elect is openly saying that he is not going to help if Russia will make move into Baltics. Personally I would expect that Poland with cooperation with Czech Republic (they have whole nuclear research facility north of Prague) would be able to do it in short amount of time - less than 5 years.

> chief elect is openly saying that he is not going to help if Russia will make move into Baltics.

What has Trump said about the Baltics?

Re: Biden Allows Ukraine to Strike Russia with Long-Range U.S. Missiles

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Post by dzhiurgis »

bingohbangoh wrote: post #16

does nobody think this will risk nuclear war? Is this really a place we want to risk it? I'm amazed at the comments section here

Giving US nukes to every Eastern European country (including Ukraine) would be biggest contribution to humanity safety in history.

Re: Biden Allows Ukraine to Strike Russia with Long-Range U.S. Missiles

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Post by mmooss »

bingohbangoh wrote: post #61
jsiepkes wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You think letting Russia harass and invade their former vazal states is without risk? They've occupied eastern Europe until 1989. With the invasion of Crimea in 2014 they've basically only not harassed and not occupied eastern European countries for only 25 years. The only thing which provokes Russia is weakness.

So we all blow ourselves up and kill everybody? † To own Russia? †: everybody == a lot of people, just to be clear

> To own Russia?

That's not the goal.

It's for security: It's less risky now to fight Russia then later, after they've conquered more people and territory, and have political momentum.

It's for security again: If Russia wins, it greatly damages the international order which has prevented wide-scale war for generations. Remember the world before 1945.

It's for people: The lives, freedom, rights, and prosperity of tens of millions of people are at stake.

Re: Biden Allows Ukraine to Strike Russia with Long-Range U.S. Missiles

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Post by handfuloflight »

tim333 wrote: post #45
petermcneeley wrote: post #13

Russia claimed that deep strikes into Russian territory would be crossing a "red line". We shall see; I am nervously excited.

They've said about thirty things are red lines and then not done much.

Dogs bark before they bite.

Re: Biden Allows Ukraine to Strike Russia with Long-Range U.S. Missiles

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Post by ganeshkrishnan »

asdf123qweasd wrote: post #54
bingohbangoh wrote: post #16

does nobody think this will risk nuclear war? Is this really a place we want to risk it? I'm amazed at the comments section here

Better to be dead then to be a slave in russia- which almost always means you will become a slave dragged against your will to the trenches to die in another enslavement campaign. So the choice boils down russia or not russia - and beeing dead either way.

And here I am thinking only reddit has unhinged posts...

Re: Biden Allows Ukraine to Strike Russia with Long-Range U.S. Missiles

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Post by ganeshkrishnan »

stoneman24 wrote: post #28
bingohbangoh wrote: post #16

does nobody think this will risk nuclear war? Is this really a place we want to risk it? I'm amazed at the comments section here

Can’t really see nuclear war. I think that Russia (Putin) thought that ukraine would collapse within days and it would be a walkover. But it wasn’t and Zelensky bound his people together to resist the Russian army. The Russian army showed its capabilities and more surprisingly it’s huge limitations. The oligarchy in Russia may well determine that getting rid of Putin might be less risky than letting him escalate the…

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