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I once met a guy whom I told I some times had lucid dreams. He replied matter factly - lucid dreams don't exist, with the same of contempt you'd tell a creationist that God doesn't exist. I said they do exist because I've had them before. At this point from his look he must believe I'm perhaps trolling him, like I'm claiming that I can fly or become invisible. After a lot of back and forth and a lot of condescension from him, he eventually admits he doesn't know what a "lucid dream" is. So he just thought it meant something like "I have visions in my dreams and they predict the future", and assumed that's what I meant without even bothering to check.

You wouldn't believe the kind of stupid people you meet at physics conferences.

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My experiences in lucid dreaming and "astral travels" are a bit like Lovecraft's Hypnos story, since in this altered state of lucid dreaming I could turn to have an experience of spiritual search, looking for those dark places that nobody wants to visit, like feeling invisible barriers that I would not dare to do again. In short, when this becomes a habit, you can control the experiences emotionally to force yourself to have a more hyper-realistic experience sensorially speaking, but the side effects are to feel a strong neural connection, so it is common if something goes wrong to have dream paralysis and experiences totally full of glich, but once you wake up you know that this is fantasy, although in the dream state it is impossible not to believe it.

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i want to do a data dump here. did you ever wonder how its possible that you can experience vivid, real-time non-scripted (so to speak) events that are totally lifelike? how is it possible to do that without sensory input generating the images and sounds? i thought about this a lot and there is only one answer that fits: the human mind generates a model of the world and everything in it, your experience of the world is actually happening inside of this model. when you are awake, your mind looks at the world thru sensory organs and updates the model accordingly which gives the illusion that you are directly experiencing the world. but in reality there is a middle man. this is why so many aspects of the dream world kind of half-work. like clock hands changing position. your mind isnt designed to operate without having information fed to it, so it can only predict so much and you get a kind of semi-logical state of world within this internal model. most of what you experience is not as real as you think, although the minds model is designed to track and predict reality as well as possible.

but theres more to the story. there were reports of people using a drug called ISRIB, russians mostly, a few years ago. its a drug that impacts the latency of cells, turning on cells that have gone latent due to injury... or for any other reason, reasons we may not be aware of. this drug is basically used in labs in cultures and is very new. people arent supposed to take it. but some people had it synthesized and they tried it anyway of course. most of them reported extremely life-like dreams. one person reported having waking dreams that were so real that even while totally and completely lucid, she was not able to tell that she was dreaming. she was pretty shaken up by it based on the chats. i think she described it as experiencing total insanity. but this tracks. when you are asleep, your model is not firing on all cylinders. part of the reason why the world is "unrealistic" is because your brain is not working as hard as it could to fill in the model in a coherent way. think about the experiences that schizophrenics have, seeing in full fidelity people and things that are totally non existent. all of these considerations together point to the fact that we inhabit models of the world rather than experiencing sensory stimuli directly.

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I wonder what are the benefits from lucid dreaming. I read some claims that it’s possible we could gain access to some ‘hidden registry’ figuratively speaking by using methods such as lucid dreaming. However, I had a few lucid dreams in my life, all without any deliberate effort, they just happened and it’s nice to have them and all, but I don’t see myself getting out of my way to have lucid dreams. Does anyone get a…

It is incredibly entertaining. It is the closest thing to full dive VR we can get right now and I doubt we would ever get the "realness" as close as lucid dreaming without some physical hijacking in the brain. The world is your oyster when you are dreaming and in control. That alone is enough of a draw for many people.

MXE/k holing is slightly closer to feeling like reality, and much higher resolution if you get good at controlling it.

https://qualiacomputing.com/2019/01/06/free-wheeling-halluci...

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Every lucid dream I have becomes a nightmare. When I suddenly gain consciousness in a dream I begin to panic and the atmosphere turns sinister. The last time this happened it turned into some kind of sleep paralysis where I became aware of my physical body but was unable to move as I crossfaded between dream and reality.

I've had both lucid dreams (which was enjoyable) and sleep paralysis before. The paralysis was not a fun experience at all, and sounds a lot like what you describe. It's apparently common enough that there's folklore around it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_hag I've only had the sleep paralysis a couple times thankfully, and anecdotally the last time I had woken up in the middle of the night beforehand, remembe…

I we have our own folklore about it too. I believe a good percentage of alien abduction experiences are in fact attributable to sleep paralysis phenomena. Alien abductions are as real to us as night hags we're to our predecessors.

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My experiences in lucid dreaming and "astral travels" are a bit like Lovecraft's Hypnos story, since in this altered state of lucid dreaming I could turn to have an experience of spiritual search, looking for those dark places that nobody wants to visit, like feeling invisible barriers that I would not dare to do again. In short, when this becomes a habit, you can control the experiences emotionally to force yourself…

That’s way more deep than my lucid dreams which are exactly like my regular dreams, except I can control what happens in them, like being in a movie I’m also directing and writing.

Usually it’s just something like I’m at a restaurant but I can just eat whatever I want because I know it’s just a dream and I can make it a different kind of restaurant instead if I want. I certainly never had anything spiritual about it.

I think a good way to describe my lucid dreaming is it’s just like day-dreaming, but immersive because it feels like I’m actually there experiencing it instead of just thinking about myself experiencing it.

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I wonder what are the benefits from lucid dreaming. I read some claims that it’s possible we could gain access to some ‘hidden registry’ figuratively speaking by using methods such as lucid dreaming. However, I had a few lucid dreams in my life, all without any deliberate effort, they just happened and it’s nice to have them and all, but I don’t see myself getting out of my way to have lucid dreams. Does anyone get a…

For me: I used to be a tiny bit good at lucid dreaming, just for fun. Now this skill has developed back, but it's still enough to be able to wake up from annoying dreams.

Those include: being with persons you no longer want to be with, writing exams at schools and failing terribly, repeating nonsense calculation/problem solving dreams...

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I wonder what are the benefits from lucid dreaming. I read some claims that it’s possible we could gain access to some ‘hidden registry’ figuratively speaking by using methods such as lucid dreaming. However, I had a few lucid dreams in my life, all without any deliberate effort, they just happened and it’s nice to have them and all, but I don’t see myself getting out of my way to have lucid dreams. Does anyone get a…

> I wonder what are the benefits from lucid dreaming. Becoming lucid whilst asleep is important within Buddhism. To my knowledge the Tibetans have developed this further than other schools (non Vajrayana) with a big emphasis on 'dream yoga' [0]. The idea within the religion being that if on your death bead you have learned to become lucid in dream then as you are dying you can fix your mind on higher realms and achie…

I would think the value of lucid dreams comes from having a better understanding of your unconscious self. Aligning the conscious decisions with the unconscious desires could lead to a more satisfactory life.

I believe feeling fulfilled on one's death bed is a positive experience and feeling unfilled could be hellish.

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I wonder what are the benefits from lucid dreaming. I read some claims that it’s possible we could gain access to some ‘hidden registry’ figuratively speaking by using methods such as lucid dreaming. However, I had a few lucid dreams in my life, all without any deliberate effort, they just happened and it’s nice to have them and all, but I don’t see myself getting out of my way to have lucid dreams. Does anyone get a…

There is a significant recreational benefit. Flying feels amazing, and while I don't lucid dream anymore due to THC supplements for sleeping, I remember being fascinated and endlessly entertained by how _real_ it felt. I also remember quickly waking up upon the exciting realization that I'm dreaming. Rubbing hands together to stabilize the dream as you feel it slipping is a strategy I remember using. Or skipping inad…

But if dreaming serves a purpose, like processing experiences, emotions, 'defragmenting' the mind, couldn't regular lucid dreaming disrupt this?
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