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Biden Allows Ukraine to Strike Russia with Long-Range U.S. Missiles
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#42does nobody think this will risk nuclear war? Is this really a place we want to risk it? I'm amazed at the comments section here
'National security' as a political question has at some point been taken over by emotional lunatics. I don't know what to say really.
With fairness to these "emotional lunatics", their assumption that Russia would be too afraid to attack NATO territories has thus far been proven right.
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Elements of the Ukranian government have apparently sort of quietly hinted that if they don't receive sufficient conventional military aid then they'll be forced to develop nuclear weapons as a last resort. Ukraine has officially denied this, but it's impossible to know how they'll react as Russia conquers more and more territory. Ukrainian leaders are quite aware that the only meaningful guarantees of continued sove…
Given the state of post-collapse Soviet bookkeeping I also wouldn't be surprised if Ukraine actually does still have some warheads kept in secret. The problem though is those may not be enough against a country which spent the last half-century preparing for a war involving thousands of warheads.
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If you are sincere then I think this must be the most reckless, unhinged proposal I've read on this website. Are you really literally suggesting to start a nuclear war with Russia?
No it's suggesting giving Ukraine effective deterrent power, which is the opposite of nuclear war.
What deterrent? Putin doesn't care about that and would use those warheads (largest stockpile of warheads) if necessary even as soon as Ukraine tries to attempt to get a deterrent.
It is bad enough that the US is already in a proxy war and that does not help at all and arming Ukraine with nuclear warheads just further escalates the risk into another world war.
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#45Russia claimed that deep strikes into Russian territory would be crossing a "red line". We shall see; I am nervously excited.
They've said about thirty things are red lines and then not done much.
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No it's suggesting giving Ukraine effective deterrent power, which is the opposite of nuclear war.
What deterrent? Putin doesn't care about that and would use those warheads (largest stockpile of warheads) if necessary even as soon as Ukraine tries to attempt to get a deterrent. It is bad enough that the US is already in a proxy war and that does not help at all and arming Ukraine with nuclear warheads just further escalates the risk into another world war.
The US is in a proxy war akin to the French role in the US's founding war, the revolution. But different, in that the fear is that one defeated country dominoes into a wider European and cross Atlantic war, i.e. ww3. Not protecting Ukrainian sovereignity is seen as not protecting polish or Romanian independence. It isn't seen like Vietnam; it is seen as China after the mukden incident or Czechoslovakia had they fought a Nazi invasion.
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Which Eastern European country do you mean? Most are already NATO members. Of those that aren't, Belarus is already a Russian client state, Serbia is too far away, and Moldova is too poor to do anything.
What's the point of NATO membership, when chief elect is openly saying that he is not going to help if Russia will make move into Baltics. Personally I would expect that Poland with cooperation with Czech Republic (they have whole nuclear research facility north of Prague) would be able to do it in short amount of time - less than 5 years.
90% chance they’re already hard at work on it for at least 2 years.
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It is quite logical. Budapest Memorandum signed in 1994 where UK, USA and Russia guaranteed sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine in exchange for nuclear weapons on Ukrainian soil which remained there after dissolution of USSR. If Russia wants to renege on Budapest Memorandum, Ukraine should get their nukes back. Also you can see another side of the coin - Iran and DPRK would need to be insane to get rid o…
The Budapest Memorandum was a way to force a potential* nuclear player and/or nuclear wildcard out of the game. When you see it for what it is, giving Ukraine nuclear weapons is the last thing anyone (except internet posters) wants. * They didn’t control the weapons, nor could they financially afford to maintain them.
Trump wants everyone to get nuclear weapons. He wants a world of transactional big players and unreliable alliances with shakedowns. That is a world were everyone scrambles for a nuke, naturally. And pakistan is broke- you can get one there relatively cheap.
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Elements of the Ukranian government have apparently sort of quietly hinted that if they don't receive sufficient conventional military aid then they'll be forced to develop nuclear weapons as a last resort. Ukraine has officially denied this, but it's impossible to know how they'll react as Russia conquers more and more territory. Ukrainian leaders are quite aware that the only meaningful guarantees of continued sove…
Lets not forget that russias "subversion" of europes politics and culture is also relentless. The fifth column would continue the attack from inside, even if a treaty was signed. AFD and BS in germany come to mind, Front National in France, etc. They have so many useful idiots, with anit-imperial ideas useful for the last empire standing.