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A Dust Over India

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I once took my client who was visiting from US to a city tour of New Delhi. It was routine India Gate, Red Fort, Jantar Mantar stuff. She seemed unimpressed. But we happened to pass through a slum area and her eyes just lit up. She was shocked and amazed, but happy that her trip was now complete. It was disgusting.

We marvel in that which is different?

(Had never heard of Jantar Mantar before - only been to a few southern parts of India - thanks. Will put it on my To Do list!)

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Rich. No other adjectives can convincingly describe the plethora that is India. It is an experience that will kill you, and leave you discovering life – discovering you. Take your senses on a ride with its varied geographies that will raise you - with the tranquility to numb your thoughts - above the highest Himalayas and send you dipping to the complex of seas - angry some and transparent the others – not before it…

Not sure if you need a bit of help creating bullets on HN, or if paragraphs were the one thing you didn't discover in India! If the former, prefix your bullet hyphens on each new line with two spaces. If the latter, the Enter key is free. :)

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The mistake the author made is that he lived in India for three weeks. Had he stayed for six months or a year, he'd have been able to figure out what makes India tick - India is the very embodiment of clever innovation to survive - it will ask you very tough questions and it will compel you to innovate, often rapidly, just in order to survive - not even succeed. This, in India, is known as "jugaad". He missed the "ju…

> He missed the "jugaad" all around him - people, in their struggle for survival, do all sorts of things. What a colossal waste of human resources. Imagine if all those poor people were instead lifted up to the middle class so that they wouldn't have to focus on surviving each day, and could put that "jugaad" to something actually useful - research, science, arts, creating things and doing work that benefits others a…

If you've been to India lately you would see that this is already happening. There is a new, massive, middle class forming. Nothing happens overnight but it has certainly been improving over the last decade.

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I'm searching for the tl;dr?

"India has some problems."

To be honest, if you care to read more than that, you might get more insight from reading some of the longer HN comments instead (from those who live in India, but recognise these problems).

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't be defensive. I am not picking any particular place. What I am trying to say is there are places everywhere which violate the perception of a particular nation. The OP had some wrong perceptions about places like Agra or Gaya. And, I am not talking trash. My sister lives in Troy. When she was new to Detroit, she chose a wrong route while driving to downtown Detroit. While passing through a certain area ( don't…

"Also, just to point out, don't base your comparisons on a blog post." As opposed to what you are basing you opinions on; "My sister lives in Troy. When she was new to Detroit, she choose a wrong route while driving to downtown Detroit. While passing through a certain area (don't remember the name, will call her and ask) some gangsters tried to stop her car and rob her. Luckily she escaped." Down vote me all you've w…

a) You still don't get it. I am not trying to pick any place. Maybe Detroit has improved. Good for you, my sister, the USA and this world. But you may still warn your tourist friend of certain places in other American cities, right?

An uninformed tourist will be shocked if he/she visit such places just like India.

b) I didn't down vote any of your post. Hence, these replies.

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post #210

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how does that justify having the poor out in the open begging for a living? What would you do? You can't magically produce houses, schools, hospitals and other basic infrastructure to service several hundred million people. Forget that, I doubt you could engineer an efficient distribution system that just provides these people with nutritious food. Keep in mind these people are distributed across a fairly large count…

Efficient food distribution is an interesting topic with respect to India - Mumbai has an industry based around moving food from affluent workers' homes to their place of lunch and back again, moving 200k meals a day. Even more interesting is that the workforce is largely illiterate, yet the failure rate for delivery and return is amazingly low. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dabbawala

this is a very good point, but remember that there is an economic incentive for this system. The people using the services are the ones paying for it. If the govt. tried to implement such a scheme in, say, a village, the guy in charge of disbursing the money wouldn't do it, he would keep it for himself. The villagers, meanwhile, don't even know of the existence of this scheme.

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In what way is regulatory capture corruption? What is the alternative? I'm reluctant to consider it corruption in the same sentence as bribery, despite that it is an inherent conflict of interest.

Regulatory Capture is, according to Wikipedia, a clear aspect of corruption, see "corruption" wiki template: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Corruption Not sure how else to remedy your confusion here.

Its not confusion. I'm more qualified to talk about 'regulatory capture' than I'm leading on, but its a real question: how is moving from industry to regulation, or the other way around, inherently corrupt? I disagree that having a system with poor incentives necessarily means it's 'corrupt'. Bribery is undoubtedly corruption. But when a state power regulator lowers restrictions on pollutants and greenpeace calls foul play, how can tell that that they're doing it because they believe its prudent or because they're looking for a job?

A major complaint that a lot people have is that oh, when you leave your S&P job thats paying 60k a year for an IB job that pays 300k a year, you're a symptom of corruption. But hell, what if your experience working for S&P necessarily means your qualified to do derivatives trading?

If you're getting job offers that are conditional on you making certain regulator decisions, thats bribery. Eventually wanting to get into the business side of things because they pay more isn't the same thing.

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As an Indian, I'd like to put in a word about spirituality and "seeking" : getting trapped by the spiritual tourism hawkers is the worst way to go about it. Please do not just land up and ask, "So where is the latest and greatest ashram?". You'll probably get scammed, or worse, physically or mentally abused. Do not underestimate the charisma and level of brainwashing techniques that fake gurus are capable of. Even level-headed people can be made to "give up this wretched materiality" (i.e., write away their property to the ashram) after a few sessions of strange chemicals in your food, and some effective brainwashing / hypnotic sessions.

Before coming to India, please have an exact idea of the particular person / people (guru, gurus, enlightened people, etc;) you are going to meet, what you seek from them, etc; Please spend time researching the person you want to meet on the Internet, YouTube, etc; Please try to have Indian friends, or just register with someone who will check up on you regularly (ideally a local, or at least by phone) who can help as an emergency contact in case of any disaster (malaria, hypnotised by the scammer-guru, etc;).

It is a sad fact that this country has some gems of philosophers, but is equally filled with scammers and worse.

Lastly, a personal opinion : just read Jiddu Krishnamurthi and think for yourself, you don't need a harrowing India trip! :-)

Re: A Dust Over India

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what way is regulatory capture corruption? What is the alternative? I'm reluctant to consider it corruption in the same sentence as bribery, despite that it is an inherent conflict of interest.

Regulatory agencies are supposed to, by charter, look to the public interest in overseeing companies. If they are captured by the companies they regulate, and serve the companies' interests rather than the public's, by definition their mission has been corrupted. Your question is highly disingenuous.

Your assessment of my question isn't fair. Serving companies interests vs serving public interests isn't a dichotomy, and very rarely is a regulatory decision as clean cut as 'this is obviously bad and a net loss for the society, but we're going to let them set do it anyways'. Believing that to be the case is far more disingenuous.

Regardless, moving between industry and regulatory bodies isn't necessarily done in a corrupt manner. If you're the president of a state energy board, you don't need to break any rules to get a higher paying job in industry. you're already, perhaps necessarily, more qualified than almost any other candidates. This is not inherently corrupt, this is what OP was referring to (or, this is a common meme which is associated with what he described).

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This article is too close to home. I am in Chennai now (South India) and I see the sights mentioned in the article every day. Heck!, I got people sleeping on the streets right outside my parent's house doorstep. In the last 10 years or so, with new airports, 4 lane highways, new shopping malls and numerous kinds of cars, all these has made ZERO impact on poverty!.
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