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Re: We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour

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Post by kelnos »

lolinder wrote: post #101
astrange wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't read too much into something happening. That was about the narrowest possible loss and it doesn't validate most reasons it could've happened.

He carried all 7 swing states, 5 of them with what looks like it will be a 2% margin or more (and those five would be enough for a victory even without the other two). We lost both houses of Congress. It was a closer election than, say, 2008, but this was a resounding defeat. Saying otherwise is just sticking your head in the sand. The DNC needs to do some serious introspection.

We live in a weird world where a 2% margin in a handful of states counts as a "resounding defeat".

Losing the Senate was expected. The House was perhaps less of a toss up than the presidential election itself, but this outcome isn't really a surprise.

Re: We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour

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Post by tourmalinetaco »

CptFribble wrote: post #140
astrange wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Prices in America have skyrocketed in the past 4 years, and pay hasn’t even started to catch up. No, it's about the same as 2019: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N Inflation is over and done with. We even fixed income inequality; it's sharply reduced since 2019: https://www.nber.org/papers/w31010 In fact, every single economic indicator is currently better than 2019. One thing you can say that may be…

> R voters claim the economy is bad under a D president and immediately switch to claiming it's good under an R president. adding on to this, typically it takes 1-3 years for the effects of an administration to really bear fruit in the economy, either good or ill. So a common tactic from the R side the last several presidential cycles is to claim ownership of the economy handed to them by the outgoing D president, th…

If it takes 2-3 years, then that means that the economic growth we experienced in ~2021 is Trump’s 2017/19 policies, and the economic downturn we’re receiving in 2024 is due to Biden’s 2021/23 policies.

Also, Dems do literally the exact same things.

Re: We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour

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Post by cwillu »

duskwuff wrote: post #130
CuriousCosmic wrote: post #75

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> I have a feeling that this is going to create a weird thing of some magnitude where accounts end up on popular blacklists for poor reasons and have no recourse. This actually has already kind of occurred with moderation lists and the solution has generally been to strike down list managers who abuse their authority and block them (as you can't normally add someone who has blocked you to their lists).

> (as you can't normally add someone who has blocked you to their lists) That seems really abuseable.

It's standard practice for impersonators on tiktok to block the person they're impersonating for this exact reason. You can unblock to interact with a third party and then immediately reblock, etc. The victim can't even report the impersonator without a third party DM'ing them a link to the profile.

Re: We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour

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Post by manquer »

iambateman wrote: post #147
astrange wrote: post #89

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I think your life is better off if you don't know what that means, so feel free not to look it up.

This is definitely true here and probably true in lots of other areas. I have a friend who didn’t know who won the US presidential election until I told him. He just had other things going on. Part of me envies that kind of focus.

If your friend lives in the US and perhaps even otherwise, I wouldn’t characterize that as focus and certainly wouldn’t envy it .

It is a complete disregard of freedom and rights that generations of people before him fought and died over so he has the luxury of ignoring elections .

A luxury he or his next generations (1) may not have in the future as a result of their attitude and indifference.

It is one thing not to be able leave the world a better place than we got it, it is something else to leave it behind worse not even due to greed but of sheer indifference.

(1) and this has nothing to do with trump directly or any hyperbole that democracy is on the line. A interested population is key to not having power concentrated in the hands of few who will exploit it inevitably.

Re: We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour

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Post by Teever »

astrange wrote: post #89
ranger_danger wrote: post #3

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Not to mention all the people extremely confused over what "CSAM" is seemingly without having the ability to google it.

I think your life is better off if you don't know what that means, so feel free not to look it up.

I'm pretty sure that they're aware of the concept but not the term CSAM.

CSAM is just the latest iteration of the term we use for the concept due to the euphemism treadmill.

https://youtu.be/hSp8IyaKCs0?si=l5BbV39-rxC4UY8t

Re: We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour

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Post by bobthepanda »

astrange wrote: post #134
tourmalinetaco wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason people want change is not because they are “irrational” or “fearful”, it is because the people in power have demonstrated their inability to lead in every capacity. In Germany the government has literally collapsed due to the former coalition’s ineptitude. Prices in America have skyrocketed in the past 4 years, and pay hasn’t even started to catch up. In England innocents are being murdered and the governm…

> Prices in America have skyrocketed in the past 4 years, and pay hasn’t even started to catch up. No, it's about the same as 2019: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N Inflation is over and done with. We even fixed income inequality; it's sharply reduced since 2019: https://www.nber.org/papers/w31010 In fact, every single economic indicator is currently better than 2019. One thing you can say that may be…

Housing prices are also bad in red states now.

Re: We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour

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Post by amatecha »

Huh, almost as if hosting everyone on a centralized service isn't sustainable, and self-hosted, federated social media is more sustainable as more people come online?

The couple times I've visited people's Bluesky profiles I've noticed they got hit with false-positive moderation actions for completely innocuous stuff, which cemented my initial impressions that the platform has fundamental problems that will probably just get worse over time.

People have this proposed solution like, "Bsky should just have a user fee"... But this just reminds me how Mastodon servers are typically run by small communities and friend groups which solicit a bit of donation here and there to keep things running. Not lining the pockets of some large/powerful central org/corp but rather keeping the money within the community. As an added bonus each community gets to set our own rules which can vary from what other servers choose, thus ensuring greater trust and agency within one's self-governed community. Adding to this, servers form "relationships"/rapport with other ethically/socially-compatible communities. When there's a moderation action that goes awry (not that I have personally even seen this happen, just giving a comparison to Bsky), you have direct communication with the person/people involved because it's literally your social circle, not some stranger who will never know/care who you are.

BTW, how to prevent spam on mastodon: block mastodon.social (the original "default server" people keep signing up to for some reason)

Re: We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour

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Post by hresvelgr »

A large amount of moderation problems could very easily be solved by a standard KYC process. You can sign up and view content without it, but as soon as you want to post, you need to submit a driver's license or passport. Sure, it's a pain but the benefit is people will become A LOT better behaved. I don't think this is necessary for small community platforms but for something like X/Bluesky/etc it is needed. It is absolutely beyond me why these platforms aren't enforcing stronger measures like this.

Re: We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour

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Post by amatecha »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #128
4ntiq wrote: post #65

something tells me 4chan will survive the birth and death of many social media platforms. lessons to be learned but everyone keeps repeating the same mistakes

Not sure if it tracks given that the founder himself more or less got ousted from his platform. I don't exactly think the current owners keep the servers up in good faith.

Maybe this lends weight to the idea that the strongest social network is decentralized and not reliant on a single point of ownership/control/failure? :)

Re: We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour

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Post by astrange »

Supermancho wrote: post #148
astrange wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Prices in America have skyrocketed in the past 4 years, and pay hasn’t even started to catch up. No, it's about the same as 2019: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N Inflation is over and done with. We even fixed income inequality; it's sharply reduced since 2019: https://www.nber.org/papers/w31010 In fact, every single economic indicator is currently better than 2019. One thing you can say that may be…

> No, it's about the same as 2019: I dont think this graph demonstrates what you think it does. Household income is up, but individual income is down, by the same source: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEPAINUSA672N This would imply that income is down (especially factoring ever present inflation), but households have grown. > Inflation is over and done with. We even fixed income inequality; it's sharply reduced…

> Household income is up, but individual income is down, by the same source: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEPAINUSA672N

Indeed it's down a bit. The reason I didn't link it is that I think household income matters more than personal income, because it's more relevant to paying for the big expenses like the household itself, but it depends how people share expenses.

US household sizes historically never grow though: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=cWvT

And here's personal real earnings of "workers", which is up: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LES1252881600Q

I think the flat "median personal income" has to do with the baby boomers hitting retirement age and leaving their jobs, but not really sure. It doesn't help that both median income charts end in 2023.

> These are different things, even in broad definitions.

In a high unemployment period they'd be different, but since we have historically low unemployment they're close.

I linked the paper because it goes into detail and I don't have anything else as good. For general income you can see graphs here: https://realtimeinequality.org/?id=income&incomeend=03012023...

It's okay. Very unstable around 2021, flat but better than 2019 since then. Could certainly be better.

I think it could be improved if we'd kept some of the welfare improvements from 2020 (namely child tax credit expansion), but highly engaged people got distracted advocating for student loan relief since then, and voters are never really into welfare programs even when they're the ones getting it.

> I believe that they are ignorant first.

Thus "consider" ;)

I do think people mainly answer that kind of survey based on what they hear in the news; they're not that selfish and want to seem a little savvy, so if you're asked "is the economy bad" you're going to answer with what you're hearing from everyone else even if you just went on a nice vacation.

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