something tells me 4chan will survive the birth and death of many social media platforms. lessons to be learned but everyone keeps repeating the same mistakes
Yeah but what’s the point, most people don’t want to spend a lot of time there.
We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour
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#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
The AT Protocol already accounts for this. There will eventually be community-built content labelers and classifers that you can subscribe to to rank and moderate your own feed however you want.
I understand the moderators working for the big social networks have a terrible job and often see the worst the internet has to offer. Who is going to do that job as a volunteer? Or is that expected to be solved by technology? Hard to imagine them achieving what Google, Facebook etc could not reliably.
Some people seem to get immense satisfaction and pleasure out of censoring other people online.
It's something I've seen time and time again, in a wide variety of discussions forums, for decades now.
Such people will happily do it for free, and they're willing to dedicate many hours per day to it, too.
I don't understand their motivation(s), but perhaps it simply gives them a sense of power, control, or influence that they otherwise don't have in their lives outside of the Internet.
Re: We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
I understand the moderators working for the big social networks have a terrible job and often see the worst the internet has to offer. Who is going to do that job as a volunteer? Or is that expected to be solved by technology? Hard to imagine them achieving what Google, Facebook etc could not reliably.
Some people seem to get immense satisfaction and pleasure out of censoring other people online. It's something I've seen time and time again, in a wide variety of discussions forums, for decades now. Such people will happily do it for free, and they're willing to dedicate many hours per day to it, too. I don't understand their motivation(s), but perhaps it simply gives them a sense of power, control, or influence tha…
Those people should never be allowed to moderate anything for obvious reasons.
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#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
The AT Protocol already accounts for this. There will eventually be community-built content labelers and classifers that you can subscribe to to rank and moderate your own feed however you want.
I have a feeling that this is going to create a weird thing of some magnitude where accounts end up on popular blacklists for poor reasons and have no recourse. I’m concerned that in time it might develop into zealous communities of samethink where you have to mind any slightly dissenting opinion or you’ll get blacklisted. I think what I’m thinking about is essentially that judges cannot be replaced by community opin…
There's ultimately no getting around that kind of segmentation. You can't make everybody read what you want them to read.
If you don't let people control what they encounter, whether by signing up for aggressively moderated communities or subscribing to automated curators or just manually black/white-listing as they see fit, they'll find themselves dissatisfied with all the noise and move on.
Unmoderated social media is not a solution to "zealous communities" and "samethink" -- through self-selection, it just becomes a haven for whatever zealotry or samethink happens to organically dominate it.
Re: We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
The AT Protocol already accounts for this. There will eventually be community-built content labelers and classifers that you can subscribe to to rank and moderate your own feed however you want.
I have a feeling that this is going to create a weird thing of some magnitude where accounts end up on popular blacklists for poor reasons and have no recourse. I’m concerned that in time it might develop into zealous communities of samethink where you have to mind any slightly dissenting opinion or you’ll get blacklisted. I think what I’m thinking about is essentially that judges cannot be replaced by community opin…
> I have a feeling that this is going to create a weird thing of some magnitude where accounts end up on popular blacklists for poor reasons and have no recourse.
This actually has already kind of occurred with moderation lists and the solution has generally been to strike down list managers who abuse their authority and block them (as you can't normally add someone who has blocked you to their lists).
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#76I suspect that when people love Bluesky so much, a lot of that is actually just the fact that it’s free and has no ads and the population was quite manageable. I don’t think I’ve seen a concrete plan for how it’s going to keep scaling and pay the bills.
"With this fundraise, we will continue supporting and growing Bluesky’s community, investing in Trust and Safety, and supporting the ATmosphere developer ecosystem. In addition, we will begin developing a subscription model for features like higher quality video uploads or profile customizations like colors and avatar frames. Bluesky will always be free to use — we believe that information and conversation should be…
I’m hoping subscription model without special uprank will be sufficient!
I’m very skeptical but I’m rooting for success!
Re: We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
I understand the moderators working for the big social networks have a terrible job and often see the worst the internet has to offer. Who is going to do that job as a volunteer? Or is that expected to be solved by technology? Hard to imagine them achieving what Google, Facebook etc could not reliably.
Some people seem to get immense satisfaction and pleasure out of censoring other people online. It's something I've seen time and time again, in a wide variety of discussions forums, for decades now. Such people will happily do it for free, and they're willing to dedicate many hours per day to it, too. I don't understand their motivation(s), but perhaps it simply gives them a sense of power, control, or influence tha…
Moderation. It's a thankless job. I supposed blocking spam counts as censorship.
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#78something tells me 4chan will survive the birth and death of many social media platforms. lessons to be learned but everyone keeps repeating the same mistakes
Yeah but what’s the point, most people don’t want to spend a lot of time there.
The small group that does has had a major influence on culture at large.
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#79Due to how easy it is to setup accounts and post on Bluesky, it’s likely many of the same operatives behind the propaganda and bot armies on Twitter are now pushing the same vitriolic content, and triggering these reports. If they can negatively impact Bluesky at a critical moment, it’ll reduce the flow of users who will quickly surmise “oh this is just like twitter”
You're right, they need to do well with the bot problem to really succeed.
But, it won't be "just like twitter" unless the "Discover" tab ("For You" on X) is filled the billionaire owner's non-stop hyper-partisan, political posts.
Re: We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour
#80Due to how easy it is to setup accounts and post on Bluesky, it’s likely many of the same operatives behind the propaganda and bot armies on Twitter are now pushing the same vitriolic content, and triggering these reports. If they can negatively impact Bluesky at a critical moment, it’ll reduce the flow of users who will quickly surmise “oh this is just like twitter”
How would they make it harder / reduce bots without sacrificing privacy (such as SMS/ID verification/etc.)? I think if you can realistically solve that you'd be a millionaire already.
Moderation lists and labellers honestly already get you most of the way there. Labellers are very effective at flagging spam/botted content and accounts that continuously show up on labellers as spam/bot content get referred to moderation lists dedicated to specific types of spam and bot content.
So you can already start by using a labeller and just hiding that content behind a warning (kind of like the NSFW wall), hiding it entirely, or just attaching a visual tag to it (based on preferences). And then to filter out more consistent perpetrators you can rely on mute/block lists.