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Chimpanzees' performance on computer tasks changes when people watching them

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Re: Chimpanzees' performance on computer tasks changes when people watching them

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My performance on computer tasks changes when people watch me. I suddenly forget how to type.

When I’m coding I find it much easier once everyone else in the house has gone out or gone to sleep. It’s like there’s a little bit of my social brain I have to keep on if there’s anyone who could potentially talk to me and when I can switch that off I can use my whole brain for the task at hand and it’s much easier. It’s not like I’m bad at concentrating. I am that guy who can sit in a noisy open plan office and con…

Yes, I experience this exactly. In solitude I can sit and work on a challenging task for 12 hours or more, falling asleep with my laptop and picking up where I left off upon waking. I’m so into it I forget to eat and shower.

I remember hearing a story about a guitarist who was trying to play his scales as fast as possible, and an observer described it as the guitarist being so focused “he forgot to breathe”. That resonates with me.

But if I’m sitting around in the evening with the family, I can’t achieve anything like this level of focus. I’ve come to think of it like an airplane or rocket. It uses most of its energy to get off the ground, but once in motion high above the earth, it can stay in motion using a fraction of that energy.

Being around other people who might interrupt is like launching a rocket, and 3 minutes into the flight we have to land because someone wants a snack.

Sometimes when I try to think about something challenging in these circumstances, in a matter of 20 minutes I feel exhausted to the point it’s hard to keep my eyes open, as if I’ve tried to launch a rocket every 2 minutes and have no fuel left, even though I haven’t gone anywhere.

Re: Chimpanzees' performance on computer tasks changes when people watching them

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My good man, this is the internet. Grammar does not matter as long as you are understood.

My correction itself was an interpretation. The phrase was not fully intelligible to me even.

Let’s break it down:

> some people is know

Some people are known

> for only do their job when a manager is around.

for only doing their job when a manager is around.

> They behave similar after all.

Their behavior is similar to the chimpanzees in the study.

Now, let’s put that all together:

> Some people are known for only doing their job when a manager is around. Their behavior is similar to the chimpanzees in the study.

That wasn’t so hard now, was it?

Edit: I see that the two sibling comments to mine interpreted it the same way.

Re: Chimpanzees' performance on computer tasks changes when people watching them

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'After 1916, there is no record of him and his fate is unknown, but he was drafted into World War I as a military horse and "killed in action in 1916 or was consumed by hungry soldiers"' I feel like regardless of confirmation behind how high the intellect of the horse was, this is no way him to go out. Hans truly loved him. This may sound dramatic but it feels like if my pet cat were to get killed in war and possibly…

Got me curious about consumption of cat meat. https://www.wrdw.com/content/news/President-Trump-Signs-the-... Federal act signed in 2018 banning consumption of dog and cat meat. Was previously legal in 44 states.

Wouldn't it still be legal in 44 states?

There's a federal ban on marijuana but it's legal in many states.

Re: Chimpanzees' performance on computer tasks changes when people watching them

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The adrenaline from being in front of an audience helps a lot. But when I was a beginner at it, the stress was indeed crippling. The cure for that kind of stress is to keep doing it, the stress will go away. Like if your throat freezes up when stepping behind the podium, just take every opportunity you can to public speak. P.S. I don't get any adrenaline from a zoom presentation. As a result, they aren't near as good…

> when I was a beginner at it, the stress was indeed crippling. But that was because humans were watching you. I imagine it would be notably less stressful if you were being watched by an increasingly large population of chimpanzees instead of people. Personally I imagine that the larger that group of chimpanzees got, the more relaxed I would feel. Just think about solving a problem in a room with 1,000 chimpanzees j…

This ignores something pretty obvious.

Obviously a chimpanze recognizes humans as something like itself, and that the humans opinions matter. At the very least a chimp knows that the humans totally control it's life.

You have a very different understanding of the relationship between yourself and any group of chimps.

Re: Chimpanzees' performance on computer tasks changes when people watching them

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Checks out with what I read in "Mike Mulligan and his Steam Shovel." Man, I read that book to my kids so many times I can probably still recite it in it's entirety. I miss having little kids.

Everyone tells you it goes fast but you really can't prepare for the whiplash you get when 20 years have slid by. To anyone with little kids; no amount of money is worth the time you have with them. Literally none. You can never get that time back, and every experience for them is important. Subsequently, I think I understand why parents are almost always better grandparents. They get it.

At a risk of being pedantic, some amount of money is worth some of the time you could be spending with them. The trick is finding the balance.

Re: Chimpanzees' performance on computer tasks changes when people watching them

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Everyone tells you it goes fast but you really can't prepare for the whiplash you get when 20 years have slid by. To anyone with little kids; no amount of money is worth the time you have with them. Literally none. You can never get that time back, and every experience for them is important. Subsequently, I think I understand why parents are almost always better grandparents. They get it.

At a risk of being pedantic, some amount of money is worth some of the time you could be spending with them. The trick is finding the balance.

I think the idea is “no amount of money beyond what you can reasonable attain in a balanced work period” is worth pursuing over your relationship with your kids, but it probably is worth specifying. I think some people find the notion so absurd that they don’t take it as seriously as they should.

I don’t consider myself totally stupid but it took me many years to figure this out. I took major salary cuts to find work with real balance. And to do work I could be proud of as well. I could have started much sooner but I felt this force pushing me to earn a bit more. Vacations could be a little longer (though I’d have to put out fires while I’m on them). We could afford a home (though kids don’t actually care all that much if you rent or own, anyway). I could afford more convenient food to save time (though my kids prefer when I take time to cook nice food from scratch for them). Ultimately it’s like… Your kids will be happy because you are, and you’re spending time with them. It’s that simple. If you can pay the bills, that’s good enough.

The balance is tough to find. I think this is especially true if you grow up poor, or come from a family with very high expectations. Both seem to be poison for the mind when it comes to finances and perception of success. In both cases there’s never enough.

Re: Chimpanzees' performance on computer tasks changes when people watching them

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Got me curious about consumption of cat meat. https://www.wrdw.com/content/news/President-Trump-Signs-the-... Federal act signed in 2018 banning consumption of dog and cat meat. Was previously legal in 44 states.

Wouldn't it still be legal in 44 states? There's a federal ban on marijuana but it's legal in many states.

Those states won’t themselves prosecute you for consuming cat (or cannabis), but that doesn’t mean the act of consumption is legal.
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