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Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by kpw94 »

curiousDog wrote: post #124

Utter incompetence from senior leadership at Netflix. They had so much time to prepare for this.

yep, especially knowing this isn't their first rodeo... 18 months since https://time.com/6272470/love-is-blind-live-reunion-netflix/

> But the real indicator of how much Sunday’s screw-up ends up hurting Netflix will be the success or failure of its next live program—and the next one, and the one after that, and so on. There’s no longer any room for error. Because, like the newly minted spouses of Love Is Blind, a streaming service can never stop working to justify its subscribers’ love. Now, Netflix has a lot of broken trust to rebuild.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by samschooler »

Bilal_io wrote: post #228
nomilk wrote: post #129

It will never not annoy and amuse me that illegal options (presumably run by randoms in their spare time) are so much better than the offerings of big companies and their tech ‘talent’.

I have Netflix purchased legally with hard earned money. But because I had issues I looked for illegal streams, and they were bad, crashes, buffering.. you name it. So I went back to Netflix and watched it at 140p quality.

This twitter stream was the most reliable for me. Completely took Netflix out of the equation; just some dude at the event with his phone: https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1mrxmMRmXpQxy

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by whoknowsidont »

pentagrama wrote: post #237
whoknowsidont wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't make these types of comments, they mean nothing and they serve no purpose.

It means, it is different if the service goes down to 100, 50, 10 percent of users. I watched the show with no issues.

Comments on forums do not provide that data. And if you want to extrapolate self-reports, it's obviously fine (to varying degrees) for the vast majority of people, but that's not the "issue."

These kind of reports are the equivalent of saying "I have power" when you're hundreds of miles away from where a hurricane landed. It's uninteresting, it's likely you have power, and it does literally nothing for people that do not have power.

It doesn't advance the topic anywhere. There are other places to report these issues directly and in aggregate with other people -- HN (and many other forums) are not that place.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by Dem_Boys »

What do you think were the dynamics of the engineering team working on this?

I'd think this isn't too crazy to stress test. If you have 300 million users signed up then you're stress test should be 300 million simultaneous streams in HD for 4 hours. I just don't see how Netflix screws this up.

Maybe it was a management incompetence thing? Manager says something like "We only need to support 20 million simultaneous streams" and engineers implement to that spec even if the 20 million number is wildly incorrect.

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Post by kortilla »

vitus wrote: post #211
unsnap_biceps wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My wild assed guess is the differences in the edge nodes. Netflix's edge nodes are optimized for streaming already encoded videos to end users. They have to transcode some number of formats from the source and send them all to the edge nodes to flow out. It's harder to manage a ton of different streams flowing out to the edge nodes cleanly. I would guess YouTube, being built on google's infrastructure , has powerful…

> I would guess YouTube, being built on google's infrastructure , has powerful enough edge nodes that they stream one video stream to each edge location and the edges transcode for the clients. Ha, no, our edge nodes don't have anywhere near enough spare CPU to do transcoding on the fly. We have our own issues with livestreaming, but our system's developed differently over the past 15 years compared to Netflix's. Whi…

It also helps that youtube serves shit tier quality videos more gracefully. Everyone is used to the step down to pixel-world on youtube to the point where they don’t complain much.

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Post by kortilla »

thefreeman wrote: post #87
sgarland wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how effective it would be to cache live events with a delay. Write to the tail, read from the head.

that’s totally unacceptable for live sports which people are able to bet on

I have bad news for you. This is how it works already for “live” sports

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Post by renewiltord »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #139
walrushunter wrote: post #56

I'm an engineering manager at a Fortune 500 company. The dumbest engineer on our team left for Netflix. He got a pay raise too. Our engineers are fucking morons. And this guy was the dumbest of the bunch. If you think Netflix hires top tier talent, you don't know Netflix.

Reputation usually lags reality by 5+ years. See: Google.

Absolutely right. Netflix was once all about the sports team mentality. Now they’re Man Utd.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by kortilla »

ctvo wrote: post #195
rk06 wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should they catering to such an audience in first place? I think this could be one of upsells that Netflix could use. Premium: get no delay Normal users: get cache and delay

Or, hear me out here, it's a wild concept, just work. You know, like every other broadcaster, streaming platform, and company that does live content has been able to do. Acting like this is a novel, hard problem that needs to be solved and we need to "upsell" it in tiers because Netflix is incompetent and live broadcasting hasn't been around for 80+ years is so fucking stupid.

Every other live platform has a delay of multiple seconds
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