Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds • Hacker News Board

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by jiggawatts » Fri, Nov 15, 2024, 10:04 PM UTC

zer8k wrote: post #155

notyourwork wrote: post #117

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Am I the only one that is not excited about the next four years being constant banter of this nature? I loathe it. Nothing personal against your comment but the new administration hasn't even gone into office and I cannot get away from this.

These people have been inundated with the drivel of a billion dollar propaganda machine run by the most expensive campaign in history. It's gonna take a while before they're back to normal again. I've heard so many "office of government efficiency" jokes in the last week I am tired of it too. But, in their defense if all you hear is how this administration is going to be the fourth reich (lol), destroy the country (l…

Elon chose the name to be a joke.

You’re accusing the wrong side for making a mockery of government institutions.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by dangerlibrary » Fri, Nov 15, 2024, 10:05 PM UTC

zer8k wrote: post #159

weaksauce wrote: post #140

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not a repeat of 2016 at all. he's got every lever of the government at his disposal. stacked supreme court, three branches of government on his side. hiring the worst people for every job possible and hiring only for fealty to him. this will be much worse than 2016.

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Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by bonestamp2 » Fri, Nov 15, 2024, 10:05 PM UTC

bunderbunder wrote: post #50

I'd love to see some sort of multiple regression or ANOVA on this, instead of singling out a single variable. Is car brand really the best independent predictor? Or is it specific design decisions you tend to see in certain brands? (Like, say, maximizing driver distraction by consolidating a bunch of essential controls and information displays into a touchscreen display that's really difficult to operate when it's su…

My fridge has been repaired twice, the first time within its first year. Both times, each repair guy said the same thing: Avoid LG and Samsung. Avoid counter depth. I have no idea if that's accurate, so I'm curious if your data dive backs up either of those notes?

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by legitster » Fri, Nov 15, 2024, 10:05 PM UTC

kevinqi wrote: post #47

legitster wrote: post #3

In a big picture, this makes sense. You can load the cars with safety features, but it doesn't change the fact that these cars are very heavy, very fast, and loaded with features that reward distracted driving. In the US at least, the top killer of drivers are trees on the side of the road.

Aside from the distracted driving part, which is real, there are two physical aspects of the model 3 that I find to be safety issues as well-- the two front windshield beams are thick and add a sort of blind spot, and the side mirrors don't give you great field of view.

Also, the instrument cluster is located in the center, outside of the driver's direct view. And most of the important controls for the driver do not have tactile buttons.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by Freedom2 » Fri, Nov 15, 2024, 10:05 PM UTC

notyourwork wrote: post #171

bongodongobob wrote: post #126

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Try not to dismiss my comment for what it is. I'm not taking a stance on political affiliation or preference. I'm trying to highlight a behavior that is the result of elections of recent past. I'm not excited about another 4 years where communication diminishes to snarky comments that point finger at the side they oppose. It makes me want to just go outside and smell the fresh air. I come to HN for substantial conver…

With that in mind, "Am I the only one..." is not substantial conversation, because it is rarely the case where one person is the only one who holds a certain viewpoint.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by MBCook » Fri, Nov 15, 2024, 10:05 PM UTC

HeatrayEnjoyer wrote: post #156

peppertree wrote: post #15

I suspect the biggest factor is speed. After getting used to EV for over a year, every ICE vehicle feels painfully sluggish and slow. If that's the case I'm curious to see how the numbers compare to other EVs.

I heard EVs are very heavy, how can they be faster?

EVs have full torque at 0 RPM so they are capable of accelerating much faster than an average ICE.

The manufacturer can alter based on software, how much current the electrical system is capable of supplying, how powerful the motors are, etc.

But even “normal non-performance” EVs that aren’t designed for performance like a Chevy Bolt come off the line way quicker than an equivalent normal car, even if they’re full 0 to 60 time isn’t that much faster.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by technothrasher » Fri, Nov 15, 2024, 10:06 PM UTC

jdietrich wrote: post #161

bunderbunder wrote: post #50

I'd love to see some sort of multiple regression or ANOVA on this, instead of singling out a single variable. Is car brand really the best independent predictor? Or is it specific design decisions you tend to see in certain brands? (Like, say, maximizing driver distraction by consolidating a bunch of essential controls and information displays into a touchscreen display that's really difficult to operate when it's su…

The Tesla Model Y is a two ton SUV with the performance of a Porsche 911. The base RWD model is fast and the Performance model is stupidly fast. I don't think anyone would be particularly surprised to learn that Porsche drivers get into a lot of fatal accidents.

The top most model of the Model Y is as fast in a straight line as the lowest base model 911, and the handling isn't even close to the same. Saying the Model Y has the performance of the 911 is not really an accurate statement.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by hagbard_c » Fri, Nov 15, 2024, 10:06 PM UTC

notyourwork wrote: post #117

Koala_ice wrote: post #14

I thoroughyl expect the Deparment of Government Efficiency to recommend U.S. Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) be shut down to save previous taxpayer dollars.

Am I the only one that is not excited about the next four years being constant banter of this nature? I loathe it. Nothing personal against your comment but the new administration hasn't even gone into office and I cannot get away from this.

You are not alone in this sentiment. It is beyond the pale that the denizens of a 'hacker forum' are often so narrow-minded when it comes to engaging those who think outside of the personal zone of ideological preference. The same people who have been yammering about the importance of 'diversity' are dead set against diversity of opinion. Grow up, folks, get outside your comfort zone and engage some of those deplorables, irredeemables, garbage, rednecks, hillbillies and bible thumpers instead of howling along with the masses. Go ahead and try, you may find they are more like you than you've been told by the chattering classes. Sure you'll have disagreements over certain things but that does not make them the evil monsters your moral mentors have been claiming they are. Just... grow up.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by stouset » Fri, Nov 15, 2024, 10:06 PM UTC

zer8k wrote: post #159

weaksauce wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

not a repeat of 2016 at all. he's got every lever of the government at his disposal. stacked supreme court, three branches of government on his side. hiring the worst people for every job possible and hiring only for fealty to him. this will be much worse than 2016.

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You may wish to revisit your timelines. COVID-19 and the associated widespread shutdowns occurred throughout 2020 and 2021. The national debt (e.g. the thing the "money printing" goes toward) rose by a staggering $8.4T from 2017-2021 and only $4.3T from 2021-.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by Freedom2 » Fri, Nov 15, 2024, 10:06 PM UTC

jdietrich wrote: post #161

bunderbunder wrote: post #50

I'd love to see some sort of multiple regression or ANOVA on this, instead of singling out a single variable. Is car brand really the best independent predictor? Or is it specific design decisions you tend to see in certain brands? (Like, say, maximizing driver distraction by consolidating a bunch of essential controls and information displays into a touchscreen display that's really difficult to operate when it's su…

The Tesla Model Y is a two ton SUV with the performance of a Porsche 911. The base RWD model is fast and the Performance model is stupidly fast. I don't think anyone would be particularly surprised to learn that Porsche drivers get into a lot of fatal accidents.

Don't the aerodynamics severely limit the cornering performance of the Model Y? How can it have the same performance? Or is there only one metric of performance that is being measured?