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Biological Miracle – Wood Frog

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Re: Biological Miracle – Wood Frog

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh god. This made me wonder, what is wood, anyway? And I've just come away much more confused. Bamboo is a grass and doesn't come from a tree. Palm wood comes from palm trees, except palm tree trunks are apparently a totally different type of structure than other tree trunks, sounds closer to Papyrus. No growth rings, a fiber type structure. Is Papyrus wood? Any plant matter above a certain density? I don't think tha…

Wood is secondary xylem produced by growth from the vascular Cambium. (Sometimes? I think the issue is that there’s more than one definition of wood depending on context …?). Growth rings? But palm trees aren’t truly trees, right ? Just called trees…. They’re more of a tree like shrub? I think.

Trying to learn about this through claude was kinda funny.

Ask it to tell me about wood that doesn't come from trees, and it tells me about palm wood. I say, but doesn't that come from palm trees? It says palm trees aren't technically trees because their trunk isn't wooden.

Anyway, with your definition palm wood wouldn't be wood, and neither would bamboo. Feels like the vegetable/fruit thing though, there just isn't a perfect answer.

Re: Biological Miracle – Wood Frog

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Aquatic turtles have another brumination (hibernation) strategy. Since they breathe air, yet may get trapped under the ice for months at at time, they lower their metabolism plus have adaptations such as scavenging some oxygen from the water via rectal tissues as well as other chemical activity involving glucose and calcium.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/the-secret-to-turtle-hi...

https://wildlifeinwinter.com/painted-turtle

I have one at home in constant warm water, yet she can see the sky and decides to bruminate on her own: every year around this time, she starts napping in her under water hide for days or weeks at a time.

Re: Biological Miracle – Wood Frog

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> ...the wood frog’s liver produces large amounts of glucose that flushes into every cell in its body. This syrupy sugar solution prevents the cells from freezing... All natural, no preservatives added, sweetened frog popsicles! Yummy!

I'm not even joking about this -- since frog legs are a thing people eat (taste kinda like chicken), I'm now incredibly curious what this would taste like if you "caught" these in their frozen state and cooked them.

Are we taking syrupy sweet meat? Or just a hint of it?

Re: Biological Miracle – Wood Frog

#37
post #7

Curious to how long the frozen structure can "survive". I wonder if it's a good idea to freeze one such frog and thaw it centuries later (an amphibian time-traveler!)

- Artificial experiment [1]: no longer than 3 months (but see disclaimer) - New study [2]: 7 months (with 100% survival rate) So further study seems to be needed. [1] https://journals.biologists.com/jeb/article/216/18/3461/1160... [2] https://journals.biologists.com/jeb/article/217/12/2193/1211...

If kept in pristine conditions (perfectly sealed to prevent evaporation leading to dehydration, deep freeze), is there a particular chemical needed for life that we might expect to break down first?

Since chemical reactions happen in the freezer just slower...

Re: Biological Miracle – Wood Frog

#38

Ok, this is what you really wanted: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p091w1b3

The content is not available in your location.

Ah, sorry. I'll see if I can find an alternative source.

Edit: I can't and I'm busy. Any UK folk who can provide this for our international family?

Re: Biological Miracle – Wood Frog

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post #5

cant even call that hibernation. There are other knock on advantages to bieng frozen solid, it would slow down and even kill a lot of infectious microbes.It may convey a certain life extension benifit. And threre is not much behavioral adaptation needed,frog gets chilly, snuggles under a leaf,freezes solid, gets defrosted 8 months later and wakes up hungry and horny, not bad.

> It may convey a certain life extension benefit.

I think it would be more interesting if it doesn't affect lifespan. It would be a really counter-intuitive result (to me).

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