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Canada’s vanishing tech sector

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Re: Canada’s vanishing tech sector

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I'm on Vancouver Island, and I hear quite a bit about the housing prices in Vancouver. Random semi-recent article: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/03...

I'm an American living in Australia right now (Adelaide) and wife and I are thinking of moving to Victoria on Vancouver Island. She's a GP and I'm a geek. I know the home prices are going to be high, but tbh, it seems Australia is also quite high! If one was willing to live in the suburbs, a bit away from the city, is it really as bad as people say? Also, how is the tech scene in Victoria?

Hold off for a few months.

Canada is one of the few developed countries who hasn't seen their housing bubble burst yet, and the bubble is most pronounced in coastal BC and the Greater Toronto Area. Vancouver, for a time, was riding some of the highest housing prices in the world.

But that tide is turning, as it has everywhere else in the world. Sooner than later there will be deals to be had.

Re: Canada’s vanishing tech sector

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I'm Canadian and worked in high-tech in Ottawa, Toronto and Vancouver until 2006. Then I moved to Southern California and worked there until 2010 (on a work visa) and have been in Australia since.

In Ottawa I worked for the federal government. It paid off my student debt but professionally was a dead end (although that's mostly true of any government town). I then worked for a branch office of an American company in Toronto (although FWIW most of the developers were Romanian) before moving to Vancouver where the startup I worked for folded in the aftermath of the dot-com bust.

I loved living in California but hated the restrictions of the H1B work visa so moved to Australia (my wife is Aussie) largely so I create my own startup, which I've done (https://www.SlickDNS.com). The weather in particular in California is fantastic.

The fact of the matter is that compared to the US the high-tech economy in Canada is very small. There are really only a handful of cities with a high-tech sector (Montreal, Toronto, Ottawa, Calgary?, Vancouver) whereas the US has at least as many regions with sizeable high-tech sectors (Seattle, Silicon Valley, SoCal, Texas, Research Triangle, Boston, NYC).

In all of the cities in Canada, the weather is worse, salaries are lower, taxes are higher, and houses cost more than pretty much any of the US regions I mentioned barring perhaps SF or NYC. (Vancouver's real estate is notably expensive, largely because it's an easy way for nominal immigrants from Hong Kong to park their money.) So financially the US is unbeatable, but the price you pay is having to put up with the Kafkaesque US immigration system and work visa restrictions.

Australia's economy is actually quite similar to Canada's in that it's dominated by the natural resources sector. House prices are also similarly in a bubble (e.g., try comparing prices for 3 bedroom houses in Melbourne vs. Austin), but on the plus side the weather down here is better. I do miss Tim Hortons though.

Re: Canada’s vanishing tech sector

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I can attest to the lack of talent in my area (Alberta). Our company spent over a year looking for a junior PHP developer. Literally couldn't find one anywhere (the few bites we did get had no clue how to actually program in any language). And on a personal level - I've never been able to find a decent mentor anywhere. Local user groups are anemic and tend to be filled with nothing but MBA's and "idea guys" looking f…

My uncle started a serious games company in Edmonton, and that's what I hear from him all the time: no talent. He's thinking of relocating here to Vancouver just so he can hire competent C++ devs. Pretty depressing, really.

They're probably all at BioWare / EA.

But seriously, who wants to live in Edmonton? I know a bunch of people at BioWare, and the company is the only reason they're in Edmonton. They complain about the weather constantly.

Re: Canada’s vanishing tech sector

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engineers aren't even on the list of high-demand occupations Probably because there is no demand. My local municipal government was recently looking for someone to maintain their website, which is little more than a simple blog. The job description essentially laid out the job as your basic, run of the mill CRUD application. The kind of stuff kids in high school do for fun. When you read down to the requirements sect…

Even if you are an engineer you want get to work as one in Canada. It's the closed-est closed shop outside the Vatican. Any supervisor role in government/large industry needs a registered professional - ie a pEng, and they don't recognise any one elses engineers. PhD rocket scientists on Canadarm are supervised by new electrical engineering graduates. There is a special exemption to allow university science profs to…

That has mostly to do with the fact that the title Engineer isn't thrown around loosely—most of the engineering grads I know are employed under the title Technologist (or something similar on the impressiveness scale). Engineer is usually reserved for positions with attached professional liability, and yes, the iron ring is part of that deal.

Re: Canada’s vanishing tech sector

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm on Vancouver Island, and I hear quite a bit about the housing prices in Vancouver. Random semi-recent article: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/03...

I'm an American living in Australia right now (Adelaide) and wife and I are thinking of moving to Victoria on Vancouver Island. She's a GP and I'm a geek. I know the home prices are going to be high, but tbh, it seems Australia is also quite high! If one was willing to live in the suburbs, a bit away from the city, is it really as bad as people say? Also, how is the tech scene in Victoria?

What attracts you to Victoria? It's a vastly different climate, of course. It's a beautiful city in summer. You'd be in a corner for travel purposes. (I'll be leaving the Pacific Northwest mainly to get out of the corner.)

Re: Canada’s vanishing tech sector

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I can attest to the lack of talent in my area (Alberta). Our company spent over a year looking for a junior PHP developer. Literally couldn't find one anywhere (the few bites we did get had no clue how to actually program in any language). And on a personal level - I've never been able to find a decent mentor anywhere. Local user groups are anemic and tend to be filled with nothing but MBA's and "idea guys" looking f…

The lack of PHP/Rails developers in Alberta is unfortunate, but the cause is that enterprise development dominates the industry, with .net and Java projects taking up nearly all the market share and the rest existing in very niche markets. Software development exists here primarily to facilitate stuff being pulled from the ground. Have you considered using .net for your startup? There is the obvious drawback of havin…

What's your definition of capable?

Re: Canada’s vanishing tech sector

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Even if you are an engineer you want get to work as one in Canada. It's the closed-est closed shop outside the Vatican. Any supervisor role in government/large industry needs a registered professional - ie a pEng, and they don't recognise any one elses engineers. PhD rocket scientists on Canadarm are supervised by new electrical engineering graduates. There is a special exemption to allow university science profs to…

That has mostly to do with the fact that the title Engineer isn't thrown around loosely—most of the engineering grads I know are employed under the title Technologist (or something similar on the impressiveness scale). Engineer is usually reserved for positions with attached professional liability, and yes, the iron ring is part of that deal.

The iron ring has nothing to do with the Professional Engineer title. The iron ring is run by alumni of various Canadian engineering schools, and is granted to all students graduating from an engineering class with a Bachelor of Applied Science or Engineering. It's a symbolic gesture to remind graduates of their responsibilities to society, etc.

The title of "Professional Engineer" (P.Eng.) is reserved by law to those who are granted that title by the self-governing engineering bodies of each province (e.g. Professional Engineers of Ontario). You can't legally represent yourself as an Engineer in Canada unless you are a registered P.Eng. The title does indeed attach professional liability, and is a method of ensuring responsibility and safety in engineering projects.

Re: Canada’s vanishing tech sector

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I can attest to the lack of talent in my area (Alberta). Our company spent over a year looking for a junior PHP developer. Literally couldn't find one anywhere (the few bites we did get had no clue how to actually program in any language). And on a personal level - I've never been able to find a decent mentor anywhere. Local user groups are anemic and tend to be filled with nothing but MBA's and "idea guys" looking f…

The lack of PHP/Rails developers in Alberta is unfortunate, but the cause is that enterprise development dominates the industry, with .net and Java projects taking up nearly all the market share and the rest existing in very niche markets. Software development exists here primarily to facilitate stuff being pulled from the ground. Have you considered using .net for your startup? There is the obvious drawback of havin…

If there's a lot of Java devs there, the poster might also consider using a JVM-based language. No licensing with MS required, and it should be a relatively painless transition for Java devs.

Re: Canada’s vanishing tech sector

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This is fairly true of pretty much every country except the US. Finland had Nokia, now in decline. Germany still has SAP but that's it. The UK has nothing large left, all sold abroad (last one was Autonomy). Most countries have never had a big tech company at all.

What about ARM for UK?
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