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Google will stop serving political ads in the EU, including on YouTube

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Re: Google will stop serving political ads in the EU, including on YouTube

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He searched for "preparedness" it's like complaining you get security related videos when searching for VPNs

No, no it isn't.

If security and independence isn't part of your "preparedness" maybe check your privilege :)

Re: Google will stop serving political ads in the EU, including on YouTube

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Less poltical information from fewer sources equals incumbent protection. This is a regression for democracy and an advance for oligarchy.

I don't know, watching how USA's elections unfold with ads I don't see much real information, it's a whole lot of noise with ads not beholden to any kind of truth. One can claim anything in those ads, attack politicians not even based on what they say or what their platform states as far as it's not clear cut libel and/or defamation, plaster some fearmongering and lies on an ad and run with it to damage opponents. Th…

How are you going to learn about the people running then? Rely on what they say? You need some mechanism so others can criticize them and be heard.

Re: Google will stop serving political ads in the EU, including on YouTube

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Designing a voting system that requires an informed objective voter is hard but not impossible. It would be fun to run a test system in parallel. Try different thing in different locations with each election. (results discarded) Say, if you want a person to go places and do several things. Surely if you don't pay them for the work you don't get to complaint about quality? Voting for issues as well or in stead of cand…

It is incompatible with universal franchise because some people jusy don't want to be that kind of viter. And if we are not doing universal franchise let's just go full starship troopers.

Re: Google will stop serving political ads in the EU, including on YouTube

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That is the fun part - you have to decide yourself.

I don’t think this is the right website for that sort of rhetoric. Do you have any sincere beliefs that you’d like to earnestly discuss with other people with curiosity?

The rhetoric is indeed the only difference. The same level of insanity, coded differently, makes up a good chunk of non-technical HN.

Re: Google will stop serving political ads in the EU, including on YouTube

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> Meta cuts the price of its ad-free plan by 40 percent in a bid to sate EU regulators

(the second article bundled with the first article, at least for me)

I'm sooooo feed up with platforms and news sites/papers knowingly starkly misrepresent the relationship of ADs and GDPR to mislead consumers and enforcement just accepting it.

I.e. they represent it as if the choice is "no-pay+ad+tracking" or "pay+no-ad+no-tracking" but that is _not_ what GDPR is about.

It's only about tracking and requires not tracking to be as easy as with tracking i.e. "no-pay+ad+tracking" vs. "no-pay+ad+no-tracking". If you want to also have a payed no-ad plan, sure go ahead, but that isn't required by GDPR nor is it _fulfilling the requirements GDPR it gives you_.

But most especially news sides require you to pay to not be spied on and also happen to then no longer show ads, which really isn't what GDPR is meant to enforce, privacy is recognized by the EU as a fundamental human right, not a luxury good you need to pay for.

Re: Google will stop serving political ads in the EU, including on YouTube

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I wish they'd stop serving scams too. I keep seeing shit like "make 75,000 using Ethereum and ChatGPT"

Worst...Do a search for Paris Airport Charles de Gaulle main website.

Watch in horror how in 2024, with all their AI and Algorithmic gurus, Google will serve you as top answers series and series of cloned sites. Sites run from multiple remote countries, that are literally visual replicas of the airport main website and clearly trying to impersonate the main website.

Re: Google will stop serving political ads in the EU, including on YouTube

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Sure, but feeding impressionable people garbage which then gets them to vote squarely against their own interests is worse than creators making a bit less.

Like the sibling commenter, I don't get it. If people aren't trusted to express their will, however ill-informed, fickle and capricious, then what was the point of giving them the vote in the first place? And if someone puts a filter on the garbage that reaches impressionable people, then, being so impressionable, won't they be influenced by whoever controls the filter?

> what was the point of giving them the vote in the first place?

To provide tools that counter pressures toward tyranny.

> If people aren't trusted to express their will, however ill-informed, fickle and capricious, then what was the point of giving them the vote in the first place?

The phrasing here suggests some principle that outweighs societal good.

Informing voters in good faith helps them wield their voting tools skillfully. Informing voters in other ways yields other outcomes.

Re: Google will stop serving political ads in the EU, including on YouTube

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I wish they'd stop serving scams too. I keep seeing shit like "make 75,000 using Ethereum and ChatGPT"

Worst...Do a search for Paris Airport Charles de Gaulle main website. Watch in horror how in 2024, with all their AI and Algorithmic gurus, Google will serve you as top answers series and series of cloned sites. Sites run from multiple remote countries, that are literally visual replicas of the airport main website and clearly trying to impersonate the main website.

For those interested, this might be related: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40133976

Re: Google will stop serving political ads in the EU, including on YouTube

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Winning at targeted ads is more of a skill game. You typically only need a few thousand well placed votes to win an election, and even 100k impressions at $10 CPM is pretty inexpensive.

> You typically only need a few thousand well placed votes to win an election, and even 100k impressions at $10 CPM is pretty inexpensive. In the context of the EU this isn't true though, no political system in any EU member state relies on a tiny minority of votes from some states/provinces to completely tip an election.

There are still some discontinuities in the electoral systems where smallish number of votes can have a massive impact.

For example the run off thresholds in French legislative elections. And some places like Italy still use FPTP in a hybrid form.

However you're correct that there's nothing quite like Pennsylvania in the EU.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_French_legislative_electi...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Italian_general_election#...

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