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Google will stop serving political ads in the EU, including on YouTube

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Re: Google will stop serving political ads in the EU, including on YouTube

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Plotting where the line falls is an interesting problem. Is anti-vaccine misinformation political? Is it greenwashing oil political? Attacking EV incentives? Is correctly informing people about climate change political?

Climate change shouldn't be but is, but hey, there's a great joke about video games only have 2 gender options now: Male and political.

Re: Google will stop serving political ads in the EU, including on YouTube

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I wish they'd stop serving scams too. I keep seeing shit like "make 75,000 using Ethereum and ChatGPT"

Scams in online advertising are ubiquitous, I'm amazed adtech companies don't seem to see any consequences for it. I really think there needs to be an onus on online advertisers to prove that the products and services they promote are not scams before anything gets exposed to the public. I see adblockers as essential security tools at this point, however you dress it up one of the main functions of adtech in the pres…

Well, this also needs to be on website publishers who use ads from vendors that don't guarantee that the ads are not scams. Bad ads on any site should have equal treatment to bad content, and should be considered as published by that site (not by the actual ad vendor, i.e., no way to shift responsibility, only to share).

That is, what we need is a rule: N scam ad impressions on my blog (even if they come from a third-party ad provider) = knock-knock from the police at my door as if I were writing scammy blog articles.

Re: Google will stop serving political ads in the EU, including on YouTube

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Less poltical information from fewer sources equals incumbent protection. This is a regression for democracy and an advance for oligarchy.

I wish this comment were true, because this would mean political parties actually use knowledge and information to encourage people to vote for them. In the democratic elections I am exposed to (UK, US), this could not be further from the truth. Further, I think targeted marketing will always lean away from information and into exploiting emotional responses. A reduction in a bombardment of targeted marketing is a po…

Well, it's true that political parties/candidates don't tell the truth about themselves but they often point true things about their political opponents. I think it's better if someone is allowed to pay for an ad pointing out someone's voting record, their past, their connections. Bringing attention to something has value as people can then verify the claim if they wish.

Re: Google will stop serving political ads in the EU, including on YouTube

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

He didn't go out of his way, he literally just explained that he searched for something and got served the crackpot stuff. Searching for something on YouTube isn't going "out of your way", it's using it as intended. Maybe read it again.

He searched for "preparedness" it's like complaining you get security related videos when searching for VPNs

No, no it isn't.

Re: Google will stop serving political ads in the EU, including on YouTube

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Sure, but feeding impressionable people garbage which then gets them to vote squarely against their own interests is worse than creators making a bit less.

Like the sibling commenter, I don't get it. If people aren't trusted to express their will, however ill-informed, fickle and capricious, then what was the point of giving them the vote in the first place? And if someone puts a filter on the garbage that reaches impressionable people, then, being so impressionable, won't they be influenced by whoever controls the filter?

Yeah it seems like just another misguided attempt at fixing some issue by the EU. The principal is nice, but the effects and implementation is garbage.

Re: Google will stop serving political ads in the EU, including on YouTube

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Sure, but feeding impressionable people garbage which then gets them to vote squarely against their own interests is worse than creators making a bit less.

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That's ridiculous. We also need minimum asset thresholds for at least 3 generations. What good is a PhD in the hands of someone without a pedigree.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but feeding impressionable people garbage which then gets them to vote squarely against their own interests is worse than creators making a bit less.

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Designing a voting system that requires an informed objective voter is hard but not impossible.

It would be fun to run a test system in parallel. Try different thing in different locations with each election. (results discarded)

Say, if you want a person to go places and do several things. Surely if you don't pay them for the work you don't get to complaint about quality?

Voting for issues as well or in stead of candidates seems needed. We now have a process to hire an employee. Letting the new hire (temp) figure out how to is pretty silly. They should know what we want. (and get fired if they refuse) Adjusting salary to performance (by popular vote) also seems good.

Lots of bad ideas we can try without doing much harm.

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I forgot, as developers we should attempt to solve the puzzle in code. Voting on things is not new terrain but there remains lots to explore.

Re: Google will stop serving political ads in the EU, including on YouTube

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Paper flyers in your mailbox, and billboards in people's gardens, are some age-old and very common forms of advertisement during elections I've seen in multiple countries in Europe

Interesting. Where are billboards on private property common? I mostly see them on tv, public billboards and light poles.

Australia small signs (100cmx50cm size) are common. Billboards you’d see down a commercial street are probably private property and often are political also.

Re: Google will stop serving political ads in the EU, including on YouTube

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Less poltical information from fewer sources equals incumbent protection. This is a regression for democracy and an advance for oligarchy.

Interesting, why do you think so? I feel like paid, targeted ads on platforms everyone uses are extremely insidous, because an incumbent or major political party will always have more funds than an e.g. an upstart party, and targeting is generally bad as it's easy to play into people's preconceived notions that way, instead of presenting your position or the change you advocate for. Edit: replaced "incumbent" with "i…

There is diminishing returns once you have enough money to spread your message. The problems arise when you don't have a way to spread it at all. It's not always a better funded who wins anyway. The last US election are the prime example: Democrats significantly outspent Trump and lost. I am sure every American have heard both sides as well: their message and their attacks on their opponent. I think more information is better for democracy in general. Removing political ads cuts in in favor of incumbents, who in EU often control other (than the Internet) media.
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