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The Hidden Tax Trap for SaaS Founders in Germany

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Re: The Hidden Tax Trap for SaaS Founders in Germany

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>Sorry you don‘t get a free ride for being rich.

That's the problem with European way of thinking. Entrepreneurs and start-up founders taking on huge workloads and risk to start a business and create jobs, are automatically demonized as "rich freeloaders exploiting the system", to support this ideologically driven class warfare in hopes of getting more votes, where the ruling elite take 9 pieces of the economical pie, give half of the remaining piece to the middle class, the other half to the lower class and tell them "hey look, those business freeloaders are the reason you only half a piece".

If you want to create new jobs in new emergent industries, which is always gonna be a high risk high reward situation with plenty of failures, you'll have to support the ones taking the risks somehow instead of demonizing them as freeloaders. That's how the EU economy is now only half that of the US, when 20 years ago they were on par.

So then in Europe we end up in the situation where most of the new ventures are coming from entrenched industry players and hereditary wealth with connections to politics who actually exploit the system, instead of ambitious working class people taking a chance at building something like in the US. Basically neo-feudalism.

Re: The Hidden Tax Trap for SaaS Founders in Germany

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This is a lot of words trying to explain that in Germany the system is designed that poor remain poor. First 40% of gross salary on contributions, then 30% of net salary on rent. Dynasties with their VW-Porsche-VW-Porsche quadruple currywurst burger-sandwich need the society to be poor.

At least we still have inheritance tax, though it's somewhat broken for those you mentioned who are far too good at avoiding that tax.

Re: The Hidden Tax Trap for SaaS Founders in Germany

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post #14

The disclaimer is absolutely right, you should consult a qualified accountant because the rest of the article is wrong. First of all, it's not just about SaaS, but all GmbH. I don't see any reason why Germany should make exceptions for software companies as the author wishes for in the second-to-last paragraph. In regards to taxation of a sale I can only point to this first google result: https://www.rosepartner.de/b…

Thanks for sharing that link, but it actually confirms my point. That article is about selling GmbH shares ("Share Deal"), but as explained in my post, buyers of smaller SaaS companies ($1-10M) almost never want to do share deals - they want asset deals.

Re: The Hidden Tax Trap for SaaS Founders in Germany

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post #6

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This isn't about "special treatment for the rich." When international companies buy German software businesses, that's foreign investment flowing into Germany - money that often gets reinvested locally in new startups and jobs. But our system actively discourages these transactions by treating business sales like regular income.

> by treating business sales like regular income.

But aren't they regular income?

Why should one form of income be taxed at a different rate than some other?

Tax rate too high? Sure, agree. Should all income be taxed at same levels? Yes to that too.

Re: The Hidden Tax Trap for SaaS Founders in Germany

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post #8

I made a rather stupid mistake recently, as an American. I put $30k or so of my Roth IRA into BMW stock, since it was paying something close to 8% annual dividends. Once a year. I suppose I should have looked at this more closely. When the dividend was paid, the German government took about 30% of it right off the top in taxes... for a foreign investor. Still not a bad return, but I won't be buying any German stocks…

You can get it reimbursed in some cases.

Re: The Hidden Tax Trap for SaaS Founders in Germany

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post #6

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Yeah, true. But if one started from zero, built a business, paid all the taxes along the way, got lucky and cashed out, cut them some slack, no?

But I see why not. Who’s going to work for those who go out of work. It makes less and less sense to start a business in Germany. It all feels like leeching off of people who have the audacity to do something in this country. If you work and become successful, you’ll get leeched off of, if you have no desire to work, no worries, you will get the social net… if you’re German that is. Screw you if you’re an immigrant.

Re: The Hidden Tax Trap for SaaS Founders in Germany

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post #8

I made a rather stupid mistake recently, as an American. I put $30k or so of my Roth IRA into BMW stock, since it was paying something close to 8% annual dividends. Once a year. I suppose I should have looked at this more closely. When the dividend was paid, the German government took about 30% of it right off the top in taxes... for a foreign investor. Still not a bad return, but I won't be buying any German stocks…

You know that US taxes the same 30% on dividends for non-residents, right?

Re: The Hidden Tax Trap for SaaS Founders in Germany

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post #6

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Everybody can basically decide to Flag-theorie their life and avoid paying taxes altogether.

Thing is if a country makes it easy for someone to do their own thing it can cultivate a healthy environment for founders people may not even get that idea.

Re: The Hidden Tax Trap for SaaS Founders in Germany

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post #8

I made a rather stupid mistake recently, as an American. I put $30k or so of my Roth IRA into BMW stock, since it was paying something close to 8% annual dividends. Once a year. I suppose I should have looked at this more closely. When the dividend was paid, the German government took about 30% of it right off the top in taxes... for a foreign investor. Still not a bad return, but I won't be buying any German stocks…

You're probably entitled to get all of that back due to double tax treaties.

You just need to file for a refund.

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