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Daisy, an AI granny wasting scammers' time

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Re: Daisy, an AI granny wasting scammers' time

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Post by Pikamander2 »

burger_moon wrote: post #146

I applied for a mortgage today through my bank. Before the automated “next steps” email could hit my inbox my phone was already ringing and ringing and ringing. About 10 minutes straight of automated spam callers that are watching who knows what public ledger on now. I guess it pretty much means retiring this number next year. I’ve inly had the number a little over a year and the spam has slowly crept up despite best…

We accidentally registered a domain once without the privacy setting enabled and proceeded to get dozens of spam/scam calls about it over the next few months.

Re: Daisy, an AI granny wasting scammers' time

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Post by Pikamander2 »

cedws wrote: post #35

Very nice to see, my grandmother was recently scammed out of a large amount of money. Luckily the bank reimbursed her. Scammers are a stain on the reputation of India. You could argue it's unfair to tar an entire country with the same brush, but quite clearly rule of law isn't properly functioning over there and there's complicity in letting them do this. Same goes for Nigeria.

I'd imagine India will gradually crack down on it more over time. The tech industry there is growing massive and they surely aren't happy about being associated with scammers.

Re: Daisy, an AI granny wasting scammers' time

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Post by globalise83 »

bsdice wrote: post #135

The scam and spam call problem is really bad in Germany to this day. And has been for 10 years. A couple years ago I would sit at my desk thinking about a really hard problem in silence. The phone rings. Spam call. Every 30-180 minutes another one. If you now think turn the phone off, well not that easy as CEO of a business when people expect you to be reachable. It creamed my corn so much that I recorded my own voic…

I have both a German mobile number and landline number, and have never once received a scam and spam call on either in the 8 years I have been living in Germany. I guess it is a problem of having a public contact number on a website.

Re: Daisy, an AI granny wasting scammers' time

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Post by FredPret »

svachalek wrote: post #85
arresin wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would it help to know that > Influencer and reality TV star, Amy Hart, has worked with Daisy to produce a shocking video to show how she’s taking on phoney fraudsters

Wait, is a phoney fraudster an honest person?

Like a scam caller who then genuinely helps you somehow

Re: Daisy, an AI granny wasting scammers' time

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Post by stevage »

gorkish wrote: post #103
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #8

Of course, the scammers have created their own AI to call people and scam them so it's just playing catchup. It's like corporate avatars for hiring or cold call bots for sales. I'd say stick to white listed numbers, but pro phones can't do that, and they are the most prone to spam.

I always ask the robocalls to say something specific. It finally worked the other day! A robot repeated "chrysanthemum" back to me when asked. Sadly it seemed to be limited to this one single trick; as I continued my attempts to exploit it, it abruptly apologized and ended the call. Cute, but one day I am going to get lucky and a scammer is going to get absolutely wrecked.

Wait, what's your endgame here?

Re: Daisy, an AI granny wasting scammers' time

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Post by optimalsolver »

brap wrote: post #89

This reminds me of “shadow banning” - instead of letting the misbehaving user know they’ve been banned, and let them find a way around it, you make them believe they’re not banned and let them waste their time interacting with the system (without actually interacting with others), this makes them spend less time on actual misuse and it makes the penalty for it more expensive. Good strategy. Cruel too. So I don’t thin…

The next step up is "heaven banning":

https://x.com/nearcyan/status/1532076277947330561

Re: Daisy, an AI granny wasting scammers' time

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Post by efitz »

immibis wrote: post #39
simfree wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The new fad among wireless carriers here in the US is to route what they think are spam calls to a fake voicemail box. Voicemail that is left in this generic voice mail box never makes it to their customer and the customer is completely unaware that some of their calls have been diverted.

Then suddenly, calls from consenting callers to consenting receivers are labeled as spam and blocked. What can you do about it? Nothing. Switch to email, I guess. Oh wait, same problem.

You sound like an advocate for telemarketers. Am I correct?

I doubt very seriously that the pool of people who have knowingly and intentionally and explicitly opted in/consented to telemarketing - that is, without any dark pattern involvement and with a clear and unmbiguous consent experience, is very large. In fact I think it is infinitesimal because I can’t recall seeing such a consent UX- they ALL involve dark patterns. And if you pair that with “marketer who diligently implements all state & FTC requirements and does timely and accurate processing of removal requests, I think that the 3 relationships left are web app UX testers.

I think the world would be a better place without telemarketing or email marketing. Maybe a “one email per year” limit per merchant who you have actually paid money to and not opted out of.

Re: Daisy, an AI granny wasting scammers' time

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Post by efitz »

kabdib wrote: post #57
immibis wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then suddenly, calls from consenting callers to consenting receivers are labeled as spam and blocked. What can you do about it? Nothing. Switch to email, I guess. Oh wait, same problem.

reductio ad absurdum: we're back to Pony Express

The pony express put significant cost burden on the sender per message, which is inherently self regulating.

Re: Daisy, an AI granny wasting scammers' time

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Post by gsuuon »

I default to never answering now. Every time I feel like it might be an actual person on the other end and risk answering, it has turned out to be a scammer or spam call. Not sure why governments don't do more against them - scam and spam callers have destroyed phone communication.
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