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Re: The Onion buys Infowars

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This is exactly what I was thinking. Being funny is great, but for years people will continue to go to the website not knowing what has transpired.

The core idea of satire, which is often missed in supposedly satirical works is that you should not only make fun of the thing you don't believe, but you should also explain what you do believe under the cover of pretending to dismiss it. For example everybody knows Swift's Modest Proposal does not seriously intend that the problems in Ireland ought to be fixed by literally eating children , but if you read it, the p…

Satire requires a good deal of intelligence and education to both write and consume. Without those two inputs, satire is a propaganda.

When you take a satirical concept and ratchet up the absurdity such that only ignorant (willfully or otherwise) people believe it, the result can be a powerful influence over them. Conspiracy theories often use this approach, as do talking heads on some networks.

Think about how early Stephen Colbert skits often comprised of him acting like Bill O'Reilly; not saying funny things in the style of O'Reilly, but merely imitating him. The difference between satire and propaganda is often packaging and audience.

For another example, you can look at posts of people who read Onion articles without realizing they are satire. These people are often pissed off, so much so that they share a 3 year old article on social media to spread the word.

Re: The Onion buys Infowars

#672

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly what I was thinking. Being funny is great, but for years people will continue to go to the website not knowing what has transpired.

The core idea of satire, which is often missed in supposedly satirical works is that you should not only make fun of the thing you don't believe, but you should also explain what you do believe under the cover of pretending to dismiss it. For example everybody knows Swift's Modest Proposal does not seriously intend that the problems in Ireland ought to be fixed by literally eating children , but if you read it, the p…

The original idea of satire was to make fun of unjust leaders. It doesn’t have to be as sophisticated as swift at all. It just has to strike a chord (originally, literally) with the audience.

Re: The Onion buys Infowars

#673

Referring to Jones as "...the hapless owner of InfoWars (a forgettable man with an already-forgotten name)..." in the announcement is a masterstroke given Jones' ridiculous ego. I hope Jones is never named on the new site, but frequently and flagrantly referenced in a manner like this.

I hope for the opposite, Jones has so much video and audio content available cloning him digitally and shoving an AI generated fist, ahem, somewhere, and using his likeness as the satire would be cathartic. Better yet he himself argued in court that the person live on Info Wars is a character inseparable from the brand.

This has been my thought all along. Drown out his real stuff with AI generated slop. Slop him.

Re: The Onion buys Infowars

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In one sense this is funny, in another it's justice, but I think from a broader perspective this is just more of the same tit-for-tat nonsense that moves the needle in the wrong direction. My hypothesis is that the U.S. didn't become more divided because of moron sites like I.W. but rather because of our collective reaction to them. These groups are far easier to ignore when we stop trying to silence them.

I had a friend who often said "sunlight is the best disinfectant". Of course, he was saying that in about 2010 and I'm pretty sure it's aged extremely poorly, because the increasing publicity around conspiracy theories has only made them more popular. It feels like a stretch to say "but people were trying to silence the conspiracy theories, that's why they caught on!"

>because the increasing publicity around conspiracy theories has only made them more popular.

Or because after Iraq war and Covid the default is to be skeptical of everything government.

Re: The Onion buys Infowars

#676

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The core idea of satire, which is often missed in supposedly satirical works is that you should not only make fun of the thing you don't believe, but you should also explain what you do believe under the cover of pretending to dismiss it. For example everybody knows Swift's Modest Proposal does not seriously intend that the problems in Ireland ought to be fixed by literally eating children , but if you read it, the p…

> The core idea of satire, which is often missed in supposedly satirical works is that you should not only make fun of the thing you don't believe, but you should also explain what you do believe under the cover of pretending to dismiss it. I often suggest that satire is a dangerous double edged sword and not a good primary vehicle for positive change. Part of your audience will understand it's satire, but a signific…

> I believe we ask and expect too much of satire which relies heavily on hypocrisy and shame, two concepts that no longer carry the same weight.

Indeed. It's amazing to me how many people I encounter these days who don't appear to consider hypocrisy a moral failing.

Re: The Onion buys Infowars

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Since Musk's acquisition of Twitter, it has increasingly become a right wing echo chamber and place to promote conspiracy theories. And Alex Jones' InfoWars and Elon Musk's Twitter are both likely to show you advertisements for supplements of dubious effectiveness and other generally scammy products. So yeah, Jones fits right in there.

I take it that left wingers feel that "community notes" isn't effective or sufficient to combat right wing beliefs that are wrong? The people on the right seem satisfied for now that they can "combat misinformation with more information". (That's a misquote by the way, I believe he said better information, not more. On second thought, he may have said it both ways.) Has anyone discussed why the right believes this ca…

Bullshit Asymmetry Principle[0] always applies.

By the time Community Notes has appeared, tens or even hundreds of thousands, possibly millions, of people will have seen the misinformation.

Even once Community Notes have appeared, many won't read them.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshit_asymmetry_principle

Re: The Onion buys Infowars

#679

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Times_Co._v._Sullivan

Oh, you don't think they do it with malice?

You wanted to know where to collect your check, and that link very clearly explains why it won't be cut. If you don't want to read, you are free to hire an attorney to explain the concept to you for an hourly fee.
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