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Daisy, an AI granny wasting scammers' time

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Re: Daisy, an AI granny wasting scammers' time

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What's the best API for real-time conversations?

Strangely, I looked at OpenAI's offering.

Despite it being crazy expensive, they also didn't offer a reference implementation anywhere close to the functionality that is demo'ed in the regular ChatGPT app.

Nobody seems to get the interruptions correct - people are doing all sorts of weak workarounds like push-to-talk, etc.

Re: Daisy, an AI granny wasting scammers' time

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So, scammers start using these things too (obviously), and so AI will be trying to scam AI, then they'll be like "we need to detect when our bots are talking to a bot, so they can exit the call sooner." GANWAR

Remember: O2 gets paid for incoming international calls by the minute

Re: Daisy, an AI granny wasting scammers' time

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Surprised there aren't any comments whining about this because the scammers are bigger victims. Usually there's at least one.

> surprised there aren't any comments whining about this This is called a totem. You’ve invented or learned a caricature to rail at which may have once been based in truth, and from time to time again approximates it, though never with the fidelity you ascribe to the original. It’s commonly done by sides in partisan polarisation, the most common being a two-mode system that pillories its picture of the other. If you…

Nah, check the archive. I have no idea how they dress, nice "totem" though.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40043630

Re: Daisy, an AI granny wasting scammers' time

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If you use a VoIP service like Twilio and voip.ms, you can set up a very simple IVR menu that just asks unknown callers to press 1 to be connected to you. No AI involved. For me, this has been surprisingly effective against robocalls. Obviously this isn’t going to work against scammers who call directly, but most of the spam calls I receive start with some pre-recorded message which isn’t going to pass the menu. Edit…

Its kind of funny to think we've already had many of these services that were apparently really ahead of their time.

I remember being an outside sales rep for a local mom and pop wireless company in the late 90's, early aughts. We sold an automated "assistant" called Wildfire that would screen calls and stood as an intermediary between you can callers. She would answer, you would record your name and then it would call you on any number of devices you had entered. At one point, I had it calling three of my numbers (office and two mobile numbers) and at any time, you could just send people to voicemail. It was very similar to how many of the AI assistants work today. If I remember it was like $30/month, but as reps we got to use it for free which was really fun tinkering with it.

AT&T also had something like this where you could have a program they offered which would screen your calls and either connect you or you could send people directly to voicemail. It didn't have nearly the features that Wildfire had, but it was effective.

Obviously in the late 90's and early aughts, something like this wasn't really needed and after a few quarters, AT&T quietly stopped offering their service. Wildfire lived on until the mid aughts after being bought and then killed due to lack of adoption and use.

Kind of crazy these kinds of programs were pretty common before the AI assistant craze now.

Details about Wildfire here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildfire_Communications

Re: Daisy, an AI granny wasting scammers' time

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Then suddenly, calls from consenting callers to consenting receivers are labeled as spam and blocked. What can you do about it? Nothing. Switch to email, I guess. Oh wait, same problem.

reductio ad absurdum: we're back to Pony Express

Simple: shoot the messenger.

Re: Daisy, an AI granny wasting scammers' time

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One issue I can forsee: - Every contractor (plumber etc) you hire will ask you to please add them to your contact list first so that they can message you. - After a while of half their clients not doing that and lots of fees on their end, contractors stop providing a phone number at all, asking you to please install ContractorApp to communicate with them.

Maybe when you first receive a text you see: This message is from an unknown number. (Accept / Block / Charge sender $1)

Well, that just invokes we-had-a-baby-its-a-boy

Re: Daisy, an AI granny wasting scammers' time

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Or we could just make these calls illegal?

Right. These scam calls are not a god-given problem. Some countries do not have them in any significant amount. I suspect there is greed involved (political or corporate) that prevents this problem from getting solved.
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