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Re: Why the Guardian is no longer posting on X

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Post by rgrieselhuber »

consteval wrote: post #340
rgrieselhuber wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is obviously going nowhere, but things are a little different now anyway. What was tried in 2020 and 2021 ultimately didn't work and it won't work going forward. Censorship is being deprecated. You're free to say and think whatever you want. The good thing is, we all are.

To be clear, I'm not pro-censorship. And, to further be clear, there is zero first amendment infringement when private corporations silence your voice. This is the free market at play. I'm merely demonstrating why private companies chose to censor. Misinformation during a health crisis isn't free - it costs lives. They don't want to be responsible; they don't want that on their shoulders. So they just silenced the "v…

"And, to further be clear, there is zero first amendment infringement when private corporations silence your voice."

Couldn't agree more!

If you don't like it, just go build your own multi-billion dollar private tech company funded also by taxpayer money.

Re: Why the Guardian is no longer posting on X

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Post by dole »

ChocolateGod wrote: post #52
EarlKing wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because Mastodon and the entire Fediverse is infested with the most rabid sort of users that even Twitter couldn't stomach and has turned a blind eye to this fact? I mean, there's a reason why they keep getting brought up over and over and people continually nope out of signing up over there. They've got a demographic problem, they refuse to acknowledge it, and it's killing growth. Why would any media outlet want to…

Half of Mastodon seems to be an obsession with what's in your trousers or what you prefer to sleep with.

I'm the other half, I use mastodon for my vanilla news and X for my trouser and sleep news.

Re: Why the Guardian is no longer posting on X

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Post by ribadeo »

nickpp wrote: post #284
MrSkelter wrote: post #281

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This is incorrect. The example you give is perfect. Twitters community notes reflect the received wisdom of a mob. Not the truth. They stand when the Twitter user base thinks they should. As a right wing hub they oppose realities which don’t fit their world view. Using the example you linked there is a long documented history of minorities in the Uk, including the Irish, being treated much more harshly by British pol…

> Twitters community notes reflect the received wisdom of a mob. Not the truth. Do you have an example of such flawed community notes? The ones I encountered were pretty sane and middle of the road, often correcting Elon himself.

Let's flip your script: The Guardian broke the Edward Snowden story. The Guardian supported Assange before it was hip with the "new right" to do so. The Guardian has more rights to the label "populist" than the recent wave of astroturf turkeys voting for Thanksgiving.

All i have ever seen on Twitter was posturing and sniping. The fact that many folks consider social media propagation of one-sided polemics posing as news does not persuade me of the value of this sewage flow of emotion and bile.

Elon Musk uses his cudgel to attempt to topple the governments of nations. The vast power he wields is due to a purchase: $70 billion or ao, including $13 billion in investments from an opaque fund we now know includes sanctioned oligarchs and Saudi royalty.

Using the weaknesses of democracy to destroy the democratic world, and funded by repressive types who want us to worship the raw power of money like royalty, no really; those seeking to return humanity to feudalism!

I do not see any positive side to Twitter or Facebook circa 2024.

I find it disturbing that those who seek to destroy our society is running it. This is not populism, but merely zombie pawn-ism.

Why on earth would you stand up for a spineless man that would never stand up for you?

Re: Why the Guardian is no longer posting on X

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Post by UltraSane »

self_awareness wrote: post #272
UltraSane wrote: post #218

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"some people having their feelings hurt that they don’t censor opposing views like they used to." This is an extremely dishonest take on what is happening. What is ACTUALLY happening is the world's richest man using his media company to manipulate an election.

Like it was any different during previous elections. Only the people change, behavior stays the same.

The level of dishonesty and brazenness in Musk's lying tweets is very much new.

Re: Why the Guardian is no longer posting on X

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Post by nickpp »

ribadeo wrote: post #343
nickpp wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Twitters community notes reflect the received wisdom of a mob. Not the truth. Do you have an example of such flawed community notes? The ones I encountered were pretty sane and middle of the road, often correcting Elon himself.

Let's flip your script: The Guardian broke the Edward Snowden story. The Guardian supported Assange before it was hip with the "new right" to do so. The Guardian has more rights to the label "populist" than the recent wave of astroturf turkeys voting for Thanksgiving. All i have ever seen on Twitter was posturing and sniping. The fact that many folks consider social media propagation of one-sided polemics posing as n…

... so... your answer to my question is "no"?

I thought so. I use Twitter daily and, for all its flaws, I think the "community notes" feature is pretty awesome. In fact, I like it so much I would enjoy having in on pretty much any information stream I receive.

Maybe I could even start following and possibly trusting legacy media again - if they would bother adding it.

Re: Why the Guardian is no longer posting on X

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Post by lend000 »

consteval wrote: post #339
lend000 wrote: post #334

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> If your feed was utter garbage, would you be able to tell? Lol. Same way as you or anyone else calling it utter garbage. As another comment on this thread points out, this is exactly what the Community Notes feature is for, and it's the real reason why the Guardian has been having such a rough time on X.

Right, by fact checking. If you fact check Elon's tweets and retweets, pretty much none of them are true. He, however, still has a large backing because the propaganda he promotes happens to be popular. I don't know the true reason the Guardian left X. But I do know X is overrun with disinformation, racism, and outright reality denial. I left twitter a while ago, so I'm not in a position to judge the guardian.

> If you fact check Elon's tweets and retweets, pretty much none of them are true

As someone who purports to care so much about facts, how can you open with this statement? This sort of behavior is why Trump won in a landslide -- people are voting against this sort of cognitive dissonance disguised as arrogance, not for Trump.

> But I do know X is overrun with disinformation, racism, and outright reality denial. > I left twitter a while ago

Okay. I'm picking up on a common theme amongst all the armchair experts on X -- they aren't on it and only know what has been cherry picked by their own hyper-partisan media outlets.

Let's assume Elon is quite right wing and the vast majority of his personal posts are opinions masquerading as facts. Did you know you can unfollow him? How is this worse than where you get your news? I'll tell you -- in many cases, you don't know who owns your news source of choice and you don't know their agenda, but they surely have one. So basically, X is a more decentralized information system with more transparency.

Re: Why the Guardian is no longer posting on X

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Post by pianoben »

aembleton wrote: post #282
pianoben wrote: post #2

If for no other reason, this is good news in that it encourages a larger number of platforms with a diversity of information and opinions. Being centralized on any one platform serves no one except for the platform's ownership.

When they were on x, nothing stopped then from posting on bluesky and hosting their own mastodon instance.

When they were on X, people on X had no incentive to go to other places for Guardian content. Now they do. I don't believe that they'll meaningfully change people's behaviors on their own, but's a step.

Re: Why the Guardian is no longer posting on X

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Post by consteval »

lend000 wrote: post #346
consteval wrote: post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, by fact checking. If you fact check Elon's tweets and retweets, pretty much none of them are true. He, however, still has a large backing because the propaganda he promotes happens to be popular. I don't know the true reason the Guardian left X. But I do know X is overrun with disinformation, racism, and outright reality denial. I left twitter a while ago, so I'm not in a position to judge the guardian.

> If you fact check Elon's tweets and retweets, pretty much none of them are true As someone who purports to care so much about facts, how can you open with this statement? This sort of behavior is why Trump won in a landslide -- people are voting against this sort of cognitive dissonance disguised as arrogance, not for Trump. > But I do know X is overrun with disinformation, racism, and outright reality denial. > I…

> As someone who purports to care so much about facts, how can you open with this statement?

You just answered it, lol. Because I care about facts.

> people are voting against this sort of cognitive dissonance disguised as arrogance, not for Trump.

Right, the arrogance of pointing out things that are blatantly untrue. If you're trying to paint your side as anything but bumbling idiots, you're not doing a very good job.

The really fun thing about Trump supporters this go around is that they pretty much shoot themselves in the foot whenever they can.

Virtually every Trump supporter I know considers him a liar. The leftists I know don't - they actually have more respect for him. But Trump supporters will defend him constantly with "he doesn't mean that" or "he meant it as a joke" or whatever.

Your defense is that the person you support is not evil, but just a liar? In fact, they vote for him under the assumption that he won't be able to execute most of his plans, and they'll fall through. Their faith in him is paradoxically based on complete non-belief. It's very interesting to me.

Musk is in a similar position. His defenders proclaim his innocence by requiting his crimes on the grounds of abject stupidity. That doesn't do much to convince me.

Re: Why the Guardian is no longer posting on X

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Post by lend000 »

consteval wrote: post #348
lend000 wrote: post #346

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you fact check Elon's tweets and retweets, pretty much none of them are true As someone who purports to care so much about facts, how can you open with this statement? This sort of behavior is why Trump won in a landslide -- people are voting against this sort of cognitive dissonance disguised as arrogance, not for Trump. > But I do know X is overrun with disinformation, racism, and outright reality denial. > I…

> As someone who purports to care so much about facts, how can you open with this statement? You just answered it, lol. Because I care about facts. > people are voting against this sort of cognitive dissonance disguised as arrogance, not for Trump. Right, the arrogance of pointing out things that are blatantly untrue. If you're trying to paint your side as anything but bumbling idiots, you're not doing a very good jo…

Ironically, you're attacking someone who is neither a Trump apologist nor voter. There are more than 2 uniform perspectives in the global stage of ideas. I imagine it's easier to argue with an imaginary Trump supporter (like you spent most of your comment doing) than engage civilly with the questions I posed you. Maybe you could use a break from the comments sections...

Re: Why the Guardian is no longer posting on X

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Post by nswest23 »

aeternum wrote: post #16

Real reason: The Guardian can't handle when readers community note them using.. The Guardian. https://twitter.com/MarioNawfal/status/1821189070401249385/p...

that is a screenshot that I can't click on to verify if those community notes at all support what they claim to. this is nonsense.
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