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Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by Joel_Mckay »

Indeed, locals recently discovered a scam targeting foreign students, and fake ads that promised them a job... The problem is the economic migrant pays >$34k to get those "work" stubs, and usually never shows up on the physical job. Or if they actually need to show, it is usually an awful working arrangement where these now penniless workers end up in inhumane working conditions.

These "employers" have claimed "ghost" employees at sites who often only ever show up to work to pay the shift manager their cut of the bribe in cash. Thus, the desperate indebted people end up in food banks, delivering food, and bidding down physical labor wage rates though suppressed demand.

You couldn't make this stuff up if you tried. Wasting legitimate applicants time, and feeding illegal AI screener bots... is just an inconvenience by comparison. =3

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by ein0p »

And the solution has been obvious all along, and was even proposed by Trump in his first term. Turn H1B into an auction so that only just creme de la creme makes it through, limit the numbers, and issue green cards sooner, with no additional bureaucatic bullshit. Maybe he'll finally get to do it this time.

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by phil21 »

morpheuskafka wrote: post #140
fjni wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP already hired H-1B in the past and that person is working for them now. OP is now in the process of doing a green card application for said employee. They can't move forward with the GC application because there are other qualified citizens/residents, but they don't have to fire the existing H1B employee. That's how I understand OP, if that's legally true or not, I don't know.

You're correct that they are under no obligation to fire the employee on the H-1B. (In theory, they are applying for a "new" job, and them not getting it for whatever the reason isn't an issue for their current job and status.) However, what OP is missing is that rejecting the US citizen application based on their citizenship is still likely a prohibited discrimination case regardless of what they do with the existin…

OP isn't rejecting the US citizen application because they are a US citizen - they are rejecting all candidates applying for the position regardless of ability to do the job or not since the position is already filled. There was no intent to fill the position to begin with - just a test to see if they can sponsor the current h1b employee for their greencard or not. There is no discrimination if no applicant had a chance of being hired to begin with.

They might be running afoul of discrimination laws if they only interview US citizens to cut down on their workload for fake interviews, but I'd guess someone this careful (e.g. not actually submitting the greencard sponsorship where many employers would with a wink and a nod) is likely careful enough to not filter candidates on such obvious things either.

It's a problem with the h1b (and green card) program itself, not OPs behavior. If anything, OP is probably in the top few percentile of ethical businesses/managers if they are actually denying the sponsorships because they made a good faith attempt to test to see if the local market had appropriate candidates.

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by gadders »

dilyevsky wrote: post #290
gadders wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds ethical. Good to hear that H1B programme isn't being abused.

Omg 80% of comments in this thread are so confidently wrong it’s insane. Fyi tp is actually doing everything by the book

Yes, it's been better explained now.

I guess this is a case of "don't hate the player, hate the game." although the question remains why they filled the role with an H1B candidate in the first place if they could find locals that could do the job. That piece is clearly unethical and done only for wage suppression.

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by ein0p »

bradley13 wrote: post #59

I once applied for a job that precisely matched my qualifications. It was crazy - the job description could have been written by someone looking at my CV. I didn't even get an interview. Likely no one did. It wasn't a ghost job, though. It was a position created for a someone they wanted to hire. Being a public institution, they were required to advertise positions. That didn't mean that they actually wanted any of t…

I now wonder if the same thing happened to me. Within the niche of that job I was pretty objectively the highest qualified candidate in the world at the time. Did really well in interviews. Did not get the job. A decade later, though, I'm actually thankful I didn't get it. Blessing in disguise.

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by vonmoltke »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #182
Iwan-Zotow wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> FWIW it's illegal to require "US citizenship" in a job description. nonsense tons of jobs advertisements required "US citizenship", because there is a security clearance attached

Those companies are breaking the law. SpaceX was prosecuted for doing that. Now SpaceX says: To conform to U.S. Government export regulations, applicant must be a (i) U.S. citizen or national, (ii) U.S. lawful, permanent resident (aka green card holder), (iii) Refugee under 8 U.S.C. § 1157, or (iv) Asylee under 8 U.S.C. § 1158, or be eligible to obtain the required authorizations from the U.S. Department of State. Le…

> Those companies are breaking the law.

If the position requires a security clearance, they are not breaking the law. Language like this is standard on defense contractor postings that require clearances (this from Lockeed):

> Security Clearance Statement: This position requires a government security clearance, you must be a US Citizen for consideration.

> SpaceX was prosecuted for doing that.

SpaceX was prosecuted for excluding refugees and asylees from export-controlled positions, not cleared positions.

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by wing-_-nuts »

willsmith72 wrote: post #172
codingwagie wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Theres like a million well qualified applicants, they arent getting hired. go read any jobs forum, people are struggling

Yes, there are more candidates to choose from today than 5 years ago, but that just leaves more candidates. The hiring bar is higher, but the proportion of good Americans doesn't get higher. Sure you can get a better American today than 2019, but you're comparing any one candidate to their competition and the company bar. If you want to deliberately hire Americans who interview worse than non Americans, you're breaki…

>If you want to deliberately hire Americans who interview worse than non Americans, you're breaking the law

LOL I'm gonna need a source for this gem

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by gadders »

actionfromafar wrote: post #274
gadders wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds ethical. Good to hear that H1B programme isn't being abused.

He found another candidate which could do the job. This finding makes it a federal crime to recommand the current H1B employee for a green card.

I understand now. See above.

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by from-nibly »

spacephysics wrote: post #31
oriel wrote: post #17

A question I've had on my mind for a while now, watching this progression of fake or poisoned jobs, and miles of automatic systems to navigate: At what point do people consider the well poisoned? Where they just check out and stop applying, to specific companies or in general, because its very very obvious that there isnt actually a valid hiring market at all. I ask this question, because I've already passed this thr…

I got laid off then brought back on last minute (whiplash), and though i was burned out while applying during the transition period, end of the day i needed a job. So whether people check out as in, leave industry or take a smaller pay sure i can see that happening. But unless you have large savings or low expenses, you can’t really stop. If it didn’t take 50 app submissions for 1 interview, and the interviews weren’…

This is why we all need to live below our means if possible. It gives the hamster wheel less power over you.
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