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Meta Fined $843M by EU over Marketplace Ads

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Re: Meta Fined $843M by EU over Marketplace Ads

#41
I suspect the latter part is so commonplace that many technologists don't even think twice about it.

> Unilaterally imposing unfair trading conditions on other online classified ads service providers who advertise on Meta's platforms, in particular on its very popular social networks Facebook and Instagram. This allows Meta to use ads-related data generated by other advertisers for the sole benefit of Facebook Marketplace.

Consider this:

- A local marketplace AcmeShop wants to advertise itself on Facebook, paying Facebook for ads.

- The only practical way to do so requires AcmeShop to install Facebook's tracking on their website. The tracking is always dual purpose: on the one hand, it gives AcmeShop data on conversion from their ads (which is vital for AcmeShop), but on the other it also gives Facebook data about AcmeShop users.

- Alice wants to buy a used 3D printer. She goes to AcmeShop, searches for 3D printers, checks a few listings out, but doesn't buy anything.

- Alice opens Facebook. At this point, Facebook registered Alice's visit to AcmeShop 3D printer listings, so of course they serve ads for 3D printers selling on Facebook Marketplace.

- Alice buys a used 3D printer from Facebook Marketplace, cutting AcmeShop out.

AcmeShop has a tough choice: they either advertise on Facebook, pay Facebook, and help Facebook to undermine their own business, or they forgo Facebook as a marketing channel altogether.

Usually different parts of this scenario are discussed in isolation (performance marketing, user tracking, privacy on Facebook, etc.), obscuring the larger picture. I don't see how Facebook's behaviour taken as a whole is anything but predatory and abusive of their position.

Re: Meta Fined $843M by EU over Marketplace Ads

#42

I wonder if the next administration will put a stop to this EU trade war against US Big Tech, or if they will let specific companies (e.g. Meta & Google) continue to suffer due to a (perceived or real) bias against that admin during their 2016-2020 tenure and their political campaigns. I imagine at the very least that the company formerly known as Twitter will be protected.

This is politics. The US act exactly the same way against EU companies: https://www.pharmavoice.com/news/ftc-request-novo-catalent-d...

That's kind of my point. This isn't "consumer protection", it's a shakedown of a US company by the EU.

I think that the incoming US administration will seek to play politics more aggressively than the current admin.

Re: Meta Fined $843M by EU over Marketplace Ads

#43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It does a huge disservice to consumers to try to disconnect the two. That isn't what is happening here. They are being fined for preferential treatment to their own service on their platform. That isn't the same thing as you're saying.

What do they mean by preferential treatment? The article does not state the detail.

This is what drives me nuts with so many of these EU antitrust articles lately.

They're clear about the fine, but then it's all handwavy language about what a concrete violation even looks like. So it's impossible to even have an opinion because nobody even knows what we're actually talking about.

Best I could gather from the article is that this has something to do with paid ads on Facebook and Instagram that link to Marketplace vs. paid ads that link to other similar services (like eBay I'm guessing?), and that there's something extra-special about the Marketplace ads that the eBay ads don't have. But what even is the special thing? And is the article even accurate on this? Because it also refers to Marketplace listings as "ads" so it's not easy to parse.

Re: Meta Fined $843M by EU over Marketplace Ads

#44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. It feels like Europe's DMA is basically just a taxation on big American tech companies. There is a very fine line between over regulation and enough regulation to maximize efficiency.

> taxation on big American tech companies And that's a bad thing how?

It depends. Is the EU presenting itself as a bastion of free trade?

I don't think so anymore. They're clearly protectionists with the recent actions against American big tech and Chinese EV companies.

Re: Meta Fined $843M by EU over Marketplace Ads

#45
It surprises me how many people here are against this decision, and expressing sentiment that this is bad for the EU tech scene.

Meta has been fined because they employed tactics to undermine competition and persistently employ anti-competitive tactics.

Why is it wrong for the EU to force companies to obey it's laws and act in the best interest of it's inhabitants?

The companies being targeted are some of the biggest companies in the world and are accountable to almost no-one. Because they're a monopoly they're somehow exempt from the rulebook? C'mon.

If anything this helps competitor businesses because it shows that the tech giants are not except for the law, and the EU will fight for competition. Something the US sorely lacks in many industries.

Re: Meta Fined $843M by EU over Marketplace Ads

#46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. It feels like Europe's DMA is basically just a taxation on big American tech companies. There is a very fine line between over regulation and enough regulation to maximize efficiency.

So what would your opinion be if the US passed a similar law?

Let's see then and discuss after?

Re: Meta Fined $843M by EU over Marketplace Ads

#47

EU is becoming a very difficult place to do business. Marketplace was introduced in 2007, 15 years before the DMA set the guidance for the regulatory landscape. At the time there was no indiction that simply adding a popular and somewhat obvious feature would be seen as anti-competitive given that other classified ad platforms existed and were seemingly doing well. You have to wonder how many companies will be reluct…

This isn't even remotely what happened here. Similar to the case where Apple was fined, Meta had years to comply with the new regulations — they simply chose not to and put their fingers in their ears instead. It's naive to think Meta didn't know it was breaking the law, they simply hoped they could get away with a fine that was smaller than the profit made.

> Meta had years to comply with the new regulations

This has nothing to do with the DMA if that's what you mean.

EU is alleging Meta is infringing on the 1994 EEA Agreement specifically the generic "don't impose unfair trading conditions" clause. Which if it successful should frighten most companies. Because making life harder for your competitors is the entire point of business.

Re: Meta Fined $843M by EU over Marketplace Ads

#48

It surprises me how many people here are against this decision, and expressing sentiment that this is bad for the EU tech scene. Meta has been fined because they employed tactics to undermine competition and persistently employ anti-competitive tactics. Why is it wrong for the EU to force companies to obey it's laws and act in the best interest of it's inhabitants? The companies being targeted are some of the biggest…

  Meta has been fined because they employed tactics to undermine competition and persistently employ anti-competitive tactics.
What exactly did they do? The article is light on details. I think if you list them, maybe people will see your side more.

I personally think there is a difference between what DMA laws says and what people think is fair.

Re: Meta Fined $843M by EU over Marketplace Ads

#49

Will future tech companies bother making their products available in the EU? Will it be worth it, or is just too big of a risk with uncertain outcomes?

It's a large market, and more profitable than APAC and RoW per user (just look at the Meta investor presentations which show that it's US, followed by the EU then APAC and RoW[1]).

[1] https://s21.q4cdn.com/399680738/files/doc_financials/2024/q3...

Re: Meta Fined $843M by EU over Marketplace Ads

#50

I wonder if the next administration will put a stop to this EU trade war against US Big Tech, or if they will let specific companies (e.g. Meta & Google) continue to suffer due to a (perceived or real) bias against that admin during their 2016-2020 tenure and their political campaigns. I imagine at the very least that the company formerly known as Twitter will be protected.

Based on their stock and wealth, I don't think Meta and Google are exactly suffering. They've been getting away with this shit for, well, decades.
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