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Re: PRC Targeting of Commercial Telecommunications Infrastructure

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Post by foohoge »

numpad0 wrote: post #102
foohoge wrote: post #92

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What? I'm Japanese but I've never heard a story about changing jobs to Chinese company. I heard a lot of stories about changing jobs to GAFAM. Could you tell me more about that?

I don't think it's that much of an outrageous claim, plenty of our fellow countrymen works at local regional branches and English wings of China-owned companies these days. It doesn't take much stretch from there to imagine some of them moving to near their HQ. It's annoying that sometimes people thinks there has to be basic mutual intelligibility between Chinese and Japanese languages against the reality that there'…

Is this response about a Chinese-owned company? They said about Microsoft in other responses and I don't receive like that.

I'm not good at English, so I don't get the nuances that native speakers do.

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Post by easygenes »

tw1984 wrote: post #108
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #87

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> In terms of quantity At the very least China is generally gonna have everyone else beat on quantity of people involved in quite a lot of things.

check AI, green energy, EV, mobile computing, cloud computing, quantum stuff, robots etc. it is pretty much China vs US now when it comes to quality. how many people would seriously believe that EU or Japan can possibly compete with China on its own in terms of quality for those above mentioned sectors. just looking at those low quality & high pollution Japanese & European cars.

Is the last line said ironically? Japanese brands long have and continue to absolutely dominate long term reliability ratings for vehicles, and the first mass market hybrid and full EV vehicles came from Japan.

If you’re talking about innovation and mass EV manufacturing, sure the US and China are leading, but the European Volkswagen and BMW Groups are still competitive. Japan is admittedly a laggard in the EV market, but largely because EVs are still a luxury good and Japanese brands are primarily mainstream.

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Post by tw1984 »

foohoge wrote: post #109
tw1984 wrote: post #106

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> in China I heard that if you go to hospital in a different household registration, you have to pay the full medical costs. When talking about paying such full medical costs, let me share some concrete numbers with you, all numbers are from tier 1 cities like Shanghai - Chest CT scan is 170-200 RMB, or 25-30 USD MRI scan is 260-460 RMB, or 35-65 USD Ultrasound is 20-170 RMB, or 3-25 USD PET CT is 6500 RMB, or 900 US…

Haha, it's more expensive than Japan. A frog in a well does not know the ocean.

there are also $1 houses in Japan, it is definitely leading in such affordability race.

Re: PRC Targeting of Commercial Telecommunications Infrastructure

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Post by tw1984 »

easygenes wrote: post #112
tw1984 wrote: post #108

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check AI, green energy, EV, mobile computing, cloud computing, quantum stuff, robots etc. it is pretty much China vs US now when it comes to quality. how many people would seriously believe that EU or Japan can possibly compete with China on its own in terms of quality for those above mentioned sectors. just looking at those low quality & high pollution Japanese & European cars.

Is the last line said ironically? Japanese brands long have and continue to absolutely dominate long term reliability ratings for vehicles, and the first mass market hybrid and full EV vehicles came from Japan. If you’re talking about innovation and mass EV manufacturing, sure the US and China are leading, but the European Volkswagen and BMW Groups are still competitive. Japan is admittedly a laggard in the EV market…

> Japanese brands long have and continue to absolutely dominate long term reliability ratings for vehicles

such hard earned experience is no longer relevant in the era of EV.

> but the European Volkswagen and BMW Groups are still competitive

none of them is even capably of designing self driven cars on their own. same for the AI based infotainment systems fitted on EVs. they are just Canon in 2024/2025.

> EVs are still a luxury good

I wouldn't call it luxury. It is the cheapest option to own a car in Shanghai, BYD Seagull is being offered for $9k USD.

> Japanese brands are primarily mainstream

they have already lost the battle. if EV makers can't build their own self driving systems and those AI based infotainment systems, then they are in the wrong business. Batteries is another story that can not be ignored, Japan and the EU do not have any meaningful control on that.

I don't see any chance how European or Japanese car makers can survive in mid term.

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Post by cyp0633 »

0dayz wrote: post #103
cyp0633 wrote: post #72

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Believe it or not, it's up to you; the same goes with FBI

The FBI is not the same as a news agency however. So that point is null.

Both depend on whether you believe in the government actually. When we say "Chinese state media", we're really talking about a media controlled by the government, especially for those political topics

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Post by solstice »

clwg wrote: post #35

I was working with MISP[0], an open-source threat intelligence sharing platform, and came across a really interesting dataset from the Australian Strategic Policy Institute on China's technology research institutions[1]. I liked the data so much I built a quick cross-filter visualization on top of it to help explore it[2]. The data offers a fairly comprehensive and interesting perspective on China's research prioriti…

Two things and one question:

1) While being a fantastic resource to get a first impression of what's out there, the Defense Universities Tracker has not been updated since about 2019. So it is starting to be outdated and anyone using it should be well aware of it. It seems that an update is in an early stage.

2) In order to assess the actual risks, the sources that are provided at each institution's page are crucial. These are ommitted in your version. Please consider linking back to each institutions page under https://unitracker.aspi.org.au/

The question: What is the value added of your page over the official page https://unitracker.aspi.org.au/ ? I only see the map. Am I missing something?

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Post by medo-bear »

_lvbh wrote: post #45
clwg wrote: post #35

I was working with MISP[0], an open-source threat intelligence sharing platform, and came across a really interesting dataset from the Australian Strategic Policy Institute on China's technology research institutions[1]. I liked the data so much I built a quick cross-filter visualization on top of it to help explore it[2]. The data offers a fairly comprehensive and interesting perspective on China's research prioriti…

> we are falling far behind in many areas, including cyber security In terms of quantity and quality of talent, I don't think the western world would fall behind China, especially with their strict control of information. Most people there will have difficulty independently learning about cybersecurity. The difference is that most talent is captured by the private sector with higher compensation or bounties. Meanwhil…

I think this is just baseless prejudice. In my experience, having lived in the West and in the East, I found that on average, at least in the urban population, people in the communist and ex-communist space seem to be far more computer literate while computer experts seem to mentally get around "magic and fluff" much easier. Also the authorities are far less concerned about "incorrect" ideologies creeping through (especially through academia) than you probably immagine.

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Post by medo-bear »

Aeolun wrote: post #89
coretx wrote: post #85

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Western society is criminalizing and repressing such culture, so China has already won because they fail at doing the same.

They are very clear about who is a valid target though. I think you’ll quickly find that those attacking domestic targets rapidly disappear.

Kinda works both ways. In many western countries you still go to jail for refusing to give private encryption keys

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Post by medo-bear »

tivert wrote: post #100
equestria wrote: post #50

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> especially with their strict control of information. Most people there will have difficulty independently learning about cybersecurity. I'm puzzled by this assertion. I know quite a few self-taught infosec folks who grew up there. China is not North Korea. The government, by and large, doesn't monitor what you're doing day-to-day, unless you're a political activist or some other "undesirable". The Great Firewall do…

> To be fair, the parent's claim that China is "ahead" in infosec also feels like fearmongering. The one thing that's true for China is that their government has far fewer qualms about hacking Western infrastructure to get dirt on dissidents, steal IP, and so on. But that's a matter of ethics and law, not tech. I've heard China also has many more personnel working in this space.

Ive also heard that China has many more people living in it than the US. Ive also heard that Chinese higher education system is state funded

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Post by medo-bear »

tw1984 wrote: post #108
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In terms of quantity At the very least China is generally gonna have everyone else beat on quantity of people involved in quite a lot of things.

check AI, green energy, EV, mobile computing, cloud computing, quantum stuff, robots etc. it is pretty much China vs US now when it comes to quality. how many people would seriously believe that EU or Japan can possibly compete with China on its own in terms of quality for those above mentioned sectors. just looking at those low quality & high pollution Japanese & European cars.

Interesting also is the type of names that appear in so many western academic journals. What I mean to say is that even in Western journals "Alice" and "Bob" is quite rare
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