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Re: Why the Guardian is no longer posting on X

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Post by ywvcbk »

self_awareness wrote: post #272
UltraSane wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"some people having their feelings hurt that they don’t censor opposing views like they used to." This is an extremely dishonest take on what is happening. What is ACTUALLY happening is the world's richest man using his media company to manipulate an election.

Like it was any different during previous elections. Only the people change, behavior stays the same.

Yes? To an almost extreme degree?

I don’t recall Zuckerberg ever buying himself a cabinet position. Do you?

Re: Why the Guardian is no longer posting on X

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Post by ywvcbk »

sagolikasoppor wrote: post #161

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More like the fact that Elon Musk literally bought himself a cabinet position and basically the president himself in almost the most blatant and transparently corrupt way possible.

> it's sad

Even more sad when people lack the concept of nuance and see the world as entirely black and white.

Re: Why the Guardian is no longer posting on X

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Post by ywvcbk »

qersist3nce wrote: post #38
ziddoap wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> tries to undermine the free flow and dissemination of information Maybe I'm out of the loop here, where did the Guardian try to undermine the free flow of information? They even went out of their way to clarify that: > "X users will still be able to share our articles" And > Our reporters will also be able to carry on using the site for news-gathering purposes, just as they use other social networks in which we do…

> Maybe I'm out of the loop here, where did the Guardian try to undermine the free flow of information? "given the often disturbing content promoted or found on the platform, including far-right conspiracy theories and racism" Disturbing to who? far-right compared to what point of reference? Which theories are conspiracy and which are legit? What is the definition of racism , who are racist people and why is it a bad…

Except it can’t happen in that environment. Twitter always was and is inherently unsuitable for any semi-productive discussion due its format.

However that is besides the point any discussion in such “free” environment will be drowned by noise and bigotry (from both sides). Pretending otherwise is silly.

Re: Why the Guardian is no longer posting on X

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Post by ywvcbk »

defrost wrote: post #288
ywvcbk wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> there is a two-tiered system targeting white people. That's obviously a myth Except… That’s obviously not what Farage et al are saying. The claim is that white nationalists (verging on fringe(?) neo-nazi) protestors and rioters were treated more harshly than protestors and rioters belonging to other races or subscribing to other (also violent and radical) political (or religious) ideologies. It does not seem obviou…

It seems clear that the current crop of "white nationalists (verging on fringe(?) neo-nazi) protestors and rioters" were treated with kid gloves in comparison to the treatment of "other race" protestors in the Brixton riots. The current claim that current "other race" UK protestors are (oranges to oranges in same circumstances) better treated than white protestors is subjective , it's not suprise that such a claim is…

> Brixton riots.

That was more than 40 years ago. I was wondering whether bringing up 2011 might make sense (since it was over 10 years ago, the riots weren’t as politically motivated etc.) but this is just something else..

Re: Why the Guardian is no longer posting on X

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Post by rsynnott »

seydor wrote: post #30

Yann Lecun is also telling everyone on Twitter very loudly that he won't be posting on Twitter. The Guardian in another article explains that they are annoyed because Musk used twitter to promote his preferred candidate. The Guardian itself used their own platform to publicly endorse Harris. This deja-vu of childish antics is just comical in 2024

The Guardian, note, isn't a social network, it's a newspaper. The idea that social networks and newspapers should be held to different standards is reasonable, because they are different things. It is _legal_ for Carface to use Twitter to promote ol' minihands, but, yeah, I mean, not everyone's going to like it and some people are going to leave due to that (or due to many other problems with Twitter over the last two years).

Re: Why the Guardian is no longer posting on X

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Post by rsynnott »

adastra22 wrote: post #43
seydor wrote: post #30

Yann Lecun is also telling everyone on Twitter very loudly that he won't be posting on Twitter. The Guardian in another article explains that they are annoyed because Musk used twitter to promote his preferred candidate. The Guardian itself used their own platform to publicly endorse Harris. This deja-vu of childish antics is just comical in 2024

> The Guardian itself used their own platform to publicly endorse Harris. Isn’t The Guardian a UK publication?

It has a US version, with its own editor and some of its own reporting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardian_US

This is somewhat common for British media groups; the Guardian also has Australian and New Zealand versions, and the BBC has _loads_ of regional versions.

Re: Why the Guardian is no longer posting on X

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Post by rsynnott »

grahamj wrote: post #240
valval wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since it’s the platform that takes freedom of speech the most seriously, it caters to people who are for freedom of speech.

Hey remember this? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41662702 Fun times

'Freedom of speech', in this context, should be read as 'stuff Musk likes'.

Re: Why the Guardian is no longer posting on X

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Post by rsynnott »

briandear wrote: post #121
dools wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Musk claims he is trying to be an open and free speech town square. I don’t have an opinion on whether he did this or not but it is certainly the case that if he put his finger on the scales that goes against his claims.

Did X suppress support of the other side? The Hunter Biden laptop story is a prime example of the difference between X and Twitter. The suppression of Covid debate is another example. On old Twitter you could call someone a Nazi and accuse them (falsely) of genocide. But if you “dead name” a celebrity, you’d get banned.

I mean, new!Twitter went through a phase of banning people for merely uttering the dread word 'mastodon'. They also, briefly, hilariously, memory-holed the word 'Twitter' (any occurrence of the string 'twitter' on the mobile app would be replaced with 'X', leading to a rare 2020s outbreak the Medireview Problem: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/medireview). And various other deranged petty nonsense.

Re: Why the Guardian is no longer posting on X

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Post by rsynnott »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #61
seydor wrote: post #30

Yann Lecun is also telling everyone on Twitter very loudly that he won't be posting on Twitter. The Guardian in another article explains that they are annoyed because Musk used twitter to promote his preferred candidate. The Guardian itself used their own platform to publicly endorse Harris. This deja-vu of childish antics is just comical in 2024

The Guardian is a newspaper with a long-proclaimed left-wing bias. Musk has claimed that X is politically neutral.

> Musk has claimed that X is politically neutral

And if you believe that, you'll believe anything.

https://futurism.com/the-byte/elon-musk-modifies-twitter-cod...

Re: Why the Guardian is no longer posting on X

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Post by lofaszvanitt »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #249
seydor wrote: post #30

Yann Lecun is also telling everyone on Twitter very loudly that he won't be posting on Twitter. The Guardian in another article explains that they are annoyed because Musk used twitter to promote his preferred candidate. The Guardian itself used their own platform to publicly endorse Harris. This deja-vu of childish antics is just comical in 2024

Very disappointing to see that overt bias from Yann LeCun. Makes me wonder how much Meta and Llama can be trusted on AI.

Corporatism is en route to USA. Cyberpunk, big time. Watch it unfold.
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