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Re: Looking for a Job Is Tough

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Post by MrVandemar »

sambapa wrote: post #69
MrVandemar wrote: post #55

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> It hurts when you see posh privileged urban women having much more chance of getting into a good company than a man who worked his way up through sacrifice. It's not a gender issue. I would be looking to hire someone competent who works hard, not someone who makes "sacrifices" and then expects a job/promotion. The latter never works. That's not the work culture in most places. I've seen it many times, people who ma…

But they are better, that's his point lolwut

That is not the poster's point.

The poster contends women are being prejudicially hired as "diversity" rather men who have "sacrificed" and worked hard.

"lolwut" indeed.

Re: Looking for a Job Is Tough

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Post by throw111424 »

MrVandemar wrote: post #55
rdfc-xn-uuid wrote: post #48

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> It hurts when you see posh privileged urban women having much more chance of getting into a good company than a man who worked his way up through sacrifice. It's not a gender issue. I would be looking to hire someone competent who works hard, not someone who makes "sacrifices" and then expects a job/promotion. The latter never works. That's not the work culture in most places. I've seen it many times, people who ma…

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Re: Looking for a Job Is Tough

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Post by throw111424 »

drillsteps5 wrote: post #60
jarsin wrote: post #22

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Devs in there 40's and 50's are probably the most valuable devs on earth. We grew up with computers and had to adapt to our rapidly changing industry. I suspect we will see startup founders trending older if it isn't already happening. Companies stuck in the old way of thinking that older is slower will probably be disrupted in the next recession.

> Devs in there 40's and 50's are probably the most valuable devs on earth. Over 50 seeker here (25+ years experience, first IC then mgmt). All of hiring managers I've dealt with this time around are at least 10 years my junior, and they disagree with you. They view me as a risk (higher compensation, less "hungry", higher "flight risk") and prefer people their age or younger. Don't call it ageism though, that's just…

They want people to be passionate about whatever but in my experience the younger guys/gals are so preoccupied with themselves or some process that they spend endless hours discussing it instead of just getting some shit done.

Re: Looking for a Job Is Tough

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Post by throw111424 »

MrVandemar wrote: post #71
sambapa wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But they are better, that's his point lolwut

That is not the poster's point. The poster contends women are being prejudicially hired as "diversity" rather men who have "sacrificed" and worked hard. "lolwut" indeed.

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Re: Looking for a Job Is Tough

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Post by nickd2001 »

drillsteps5 wrote: post #60
jarsin wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Devs in there 40's and 50's are probably the most valuable devs on earth. We grew up with computers and had to adapt to our rapidly changing industry. I suspect we will see startup founders trending older if it isn't already happening. Companies stuck in the old way of thinking that older is slower will probably be disrupted in the next recession.

> Devs in there 40's and 50's are probably the most valuable devs on earth. Over 50 seeker here (25+ years experience, first IC then mgmt). All of hiring managers I've dealt with this time around are at least 10 years my junior, and they disagree with you. They view me as a risk (higher compensation, less "hungry", higher "flight risk") and prefer people their age or younger. Don't call it ageism though, that's just…

As someone similar age, if I was job-seeking like you, then if a younger potential boss gave these vibes, I'd be up-front. Seems to me salary can't increase for ever. Sure, more experience may lead to better design decisions which save employers a fortune. However, it's kind of opaque. "Best devs on earth" may be true, but doesn't mean its obvious to management. Maybe they won't pay a higher salary immediately than to a 30-yr-old, but they'll give you a reward later if they can see how much you helped them. Flight risk? Ask 'em about it, how can you ease that fear - generally that comes down to career history - if you look like a job-hopper that can be a problem but its not specifically age-related, right? Less hungry? Well again not sure that's age-related. If they're a sweatshop I suppose they might feel they can push younger ones around more, but who wants to work there anyway? Good luck :)

Re: Looking for a Job Is Tough

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

nickd2001 wrote: post #75
drillsteps5 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Devs in there 40's and 50's are probably the most valuable devs on earth. Over 50 seeker here (25+ years experience, first IC then mgmt). All of hiring managers I've dealt with this time around are at least 10 years my junior, and they disagree with you. They view me as a risk (higher compensation, less "hungry", higher "flight risk") and prefer people their age or younger. Don't call it ageism though, that's just…

As someone similar age, if I was job-seeking like you, then if a younger potential boss gave these vibes, I'd be up-front. Seems to me salary can't increase for ever. Sure, more experience may lead to better design decisions which save employers a fortune. However, it's kind of opaque. "Best devs on earth" may be true, but doesn't mean its obvious to management. Maybe they won't pay a higher salary immediately than t…

From what I can see, kids out of college, are being paid more than I ever made, at the peak of my career (and they seem to have less to show for it).

Speaking only for myself, I would have been fine, taking a lower salary, if the work (and work environment) were interesting to me.

I also would not have been interested in flitting around, looking for pay bumps. I was already set.

In fact, I suspect that someone like me (and I am sure there are many others, much like me, and likely, far more qualified), could be an absolute Godsend to a startup.

Re: Looking for a Job Is Tough

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Post by nickd2001 »

anal_reactor wrote: post #63
jarsin wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Devs in there 40's and 50's are probably the most valuable devs on earth. We grew up with computers and had to adapt to our rapidly changing industry. I suspect we will see startup founders trending older if it isn't already happening. Companies stuck in the old way of thinking that older is slower will probably be disrupted in the next recession.

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In my experience, its more the older ones that "just don't care that much about winning an argument at work", because we've learned over time to choose our battles, and "the healthy art of not giving a s**" . Maybe come back in 10 yrs time and see if you still think this? ;)

Re: Looking for a Job Is Tough

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Post by tasuki »

purple-leafy wrote: post #59

It’s insanely tough. I’m currently searching. For context - I’ve made 4 personal projects that currently have over 1000+ daily active users (numbers are ~1500, ~6000, ~14,000, and ~430,000) all created within the span of the last year. I’ve also sold software. On top of all that, I have an Engineering degree, 4 years experience, no breaks in employment, study on my afternoons and weekends (C, Go, C#) and take extra u…

> Makes me want to become a gardener

Why not?

Re: Looking for a Job Is Tough

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Post by randomdata »

tasuki wrote: post #78
purple-leafy wrote: post #59

It’s insanely tough. I’m currently searching. For context - I’ve made 4 personal projects that currently have over 1000+ daily active users (numbers are ~1500, ~6000, ~14,000, and ~430,000) all created within the span of the last year. I’ve also sold software. On top of all that, I have an Engineering degree, 4 years experience, no breaks in employment, study on my afternoons and weekends (C, Go, C#) and take extra u…

> Makes me want to become a gardener Why not?

Likely because it is not a good time to be a gardener (professionally) right now either. The tech job market and agriculture prosperity seem to track each other.
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