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PRC Targeting of Commercial Telecommunications Infrastructure

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Re: PRC Targeting of Commercial Telecommunications Infrastructure

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Post by beepbooptheory »

churchill wrote: post #4

Whenever I see these news & FBI releases about Chinese state-sponsored hackers breaching systems in America, I wonder whether the same thing happens over there: American malware and hacker groups attacking & laying landmines in China's internet infrastructure, although the Chinese may not publicize these exploits because their system opts to maintain an air of invincibility.

I think its kind of hard to imagine its not totally complementary in this respect.

Even just being rational, if we have no qualms spying on our European allies, it seems a safe bet to assume we would be doing that and much more to China too.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57302806

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Post by davidw »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #15
basilgohar wrote: post #2

> and the copying of certain information that was subject to U.S. law enforcement requests pursuant to court orders Is this legal speak for saying, "They're using our backdoors without our permission."?

Yes, they leveraging CALEA mandated infrastructure. https://www.techdirt.com/2024/10/16/wyden-calea-hack-proves-... https://www.wyden.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/wyden_letter_to_f... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Assistance_for_...

Wyden is so good on this stuff.

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Post by almaight »

7thpower wrote: post #5

I will be interested to see if the Trump administration will target their response at any specific companies or entities related to telecommunications (beyond existing measures) or just focus on existing tariffs and export controls. I also wonder if information about similar attacks from US allies will be detailed in the coming days, or if the exploits were just limited to our specific back doors (as has been reporte…

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Post by toomuchtodo »

davidw wrote: post #22
toomuchtodo wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, they leveraging CALEA mandated infrastructure. https://www.techdirt.com/2024/10/16/wyden-calea-hack-proves-... https://www.wyden.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/wyden_letter_to_f... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Assistance_for_...

Wyden is so good on this stuff.

He is a treasure.

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Post by tharkun__ »

petergs wrote: post #12
talldayo wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China has the Great Firewall segregating most international access from the country's network. Additionally, China (moreso than most) has a motivation to onshore as much of their software and hardware manufacturing to bolster their own industry. It's possible that isolated attacks could pop off now and again, but hacking to-and-from China is strictly state controlled.

It certainly does happen. See for example under “Targets”: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tailored_Access_Operations

Now if that naming isn't intentional then I don't know what would be ...

    The Tao or Dao is the natural way of the universe, primarily as conceived in East Asian philosophy and religion. This seeing of life cannot be grasped as a concept. Rather, it is seen through actual living experience of one's everyday being. The concept is represented by the Chinese character 道, which has meanings including 'way', 'path', 'road', and sometimes 'doctrine' or 'principle'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tao

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Post by 7thpower »

almaight wrote: post #23
7thpower wrote: post #5

I will be interested to see if the Trump administration will target their response at any specific companies or entities related to telecommunications (beyond existing measures) or just focus on existing tariffs and export controls. I also wonder if information about similar attacks from US allies will be detailed in the coming days, or if the exploits were just limited to our specific back doors (as has been reporte…

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I’m not sure I follow..

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Post by CarpaDorada »

basilgohar wrote: post #2

> and the copying of certain information that was subject to U.S. law enforcement requests pursuant to court orders Is this legal speak for saying, "They're using our backdoors without our permission."?

No it is not, because these are not backdoors, the entities legally own the data users have provided them and the courts require them to share the data for investigative purposes. When the FBI pressed Apple to break its encryption, it would not had been a backdoor, but simply a different product that Apple would've offered. A backdoor would be a secret exploit that circumvents encryption, or other security methods.

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Post by AzzyHN »

basilgohar wrote: post #2

> and the copying of certain information that was subject to U.S. law enforcement requests pursuant to court orders Is this legal speak for saying, "They're using our backdoors without our permission."?

Damn, who could've seen this coming!?

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Post by sangnoir »

basilgohar wrote: post #2

> and the copying of certain information that was subject to U.S. law enforcement requests pursuant to court orders Is this legal speak for saying, "They're using our backdoors without our permission."?

It's legal speak for "They are looking at who we have wiretaps on", which any country would be interested in, just to see which of their assets are being watched, for counter-counter-espionage purposes.
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