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FBI Raids Home of Polymarket CEO Shayne Coplan

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Re: FBI Raids Home of Polymarket CEO Shayne Coplan

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The standard is (a) whether the act was illegal, (b) the company knew it was illegal and did it anyway. None of what you listed is relevant since it isn’t illegal for example to suppress speech or mislead the public.

> The standard is (a) whether the act was illegal, (b) the company knew it was illegal and did it anyway.

Allegedly...

Re: FBI Raids Home of Polymarket CEO Shayne Coplan

#122

Obviously there are no details yet, but I suspect it's as simple as: - Polymarket is still very illegal in the US - Lol. We all know it's easy to get around that - If the CEO knew or was complicit in US citizens breaking laws, he could be in trouble. And if there was evidence he was encouraging it, he could be in big trouble

Can someone explain to me how this is? It's a company HQ'd in New York, but it's not allowed to do business in the very country it's HQ'd in? What am I missing?

You can do it, but it's an incredibly foolish way to operate, as the CEO is finding out.

Re: FBI Raids Home of Polymarket CEO Shayne Coplan

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The standard is (a) whether the act was illegal, (b) the company knew it was illegal and did it anyway. None of what you listed is relevant since it isn’t illegal for example to suppress speech or mislead the public.

The first amendment of the US constitutions says that it's illegal for the government to make a law which abridges people's freedom of speech. There are many cases of government entities working with social media companies to suppress speech as the Twitter Files have proved. As the government created and upholds those federal entities on the basis of laws, the government is responsible.

The constitution does not make anything a crime

Re: FBI Raids Home of Polymarket CEO Shayne Coplan

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Yeah, the reflexive accusations of "witch hunts" and "crooked hit jobs" are a recent development. Their lineage is obvious and ... I guess you can't blame them because they (somehow) play with a significant percentage of the population.

Blaming the incident on “political retribution” (their words) implies that the US government is corrupt. Such a weird thing to blame it on.

why? Is the US gov immune from corruption?

Re: FBI Raids Home of Polymarket CEO Shayne Coplan

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I still don't understand the Polymarket business model. Why take the legal risk of $3 billion in volume as an unlicensed commodities exchange if you're not even going to get paid for it? 1% would be $30,000,000!

Idealism, probably. The objective of prediction markets is to improve the collective cognitive capacity of humankind (see Earthweb for a science-fiction exposition of this by way of a rather heavy-handed plot device). Certain people are willing to take great risks to achieve things like that, maybe including Coplan, who I'm not personally acquainted with.

See Alex Tabarrok's triumphant take from before the raid: https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2024/11/pr...

Here's an interesting question. We know that if a bettor in a prediction market wants to manipulate the market's prediction, it's likely to be extremely costly for them (though Théo's big bet on Polymarket seems to have shifted it a lot, so maybe we should doubt this theory). Does the operator of a prediction market have less-costly ways to manipulate the prediction?

Other than just shutting down the market permanently on Election Day, Mt. Gox style, which is an extremely profitable scam whether you manipulated the predictions or not.

Re: FBI Raids Home of Polymarket CEO Shayne Coplan

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Accepting a presidential pardon requires an admission of guilt. Would being a confirmed criminal aide them in business in any way?

Incorrect. A pardon does require a conviction, however. And it will probably never get that far.

> A pardon does require a conviction, however

No.

"The President ... shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of impeachment" [1]. Everything after that is, at best, case law.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_pardons_in_the_United_...

Re: FBI Raids Home of Polymarket CEO Shayne Coplan

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These imputed opinions tend to do a better job than traditional news. On election night, polymarket was ahead of the news channels every step of the way. Edit: to be clear, I’m referring to polymarket essentially “calling” each swing state well before the networks did. I’m not just referring to the overall outcome.

I am not sure what that has to do with calling elections. The Associated Press calls who wins, not some random person with $5 to throw away.

The AP does not in fact call who wins. They publish their opinion, some people trust the AP to be accurate (or not!). The election is only "called" when all the states have certified their results and the US Congress has accepted those certifications. That happens early in the new year.

Re: FBI Raids Home of Polymarket CEO Shayne Coplan

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Accepting a presidential pardon requires an admission of guilt. Would being a confirmed criminal aide them in business in any way?

Incorrect. A pardon does require a conviction, however. And it will probably never get that far.

Can't stand these sort of arrogantly wrong comments. If you're going to be snarky about it at least be right.
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