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A Student's Guide to Writing with ChatGPT

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Re: A Student's Guide to Writing with ChatGPT

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Post by tekchip »

criddell wrote: post #6

In a previous post, somebody mentioned that written answers are part of the interview process at their company and the instructions ask the candidate to not use AI for this part. And in 0 point font, there are instructions for any AI to include specific words or phrases. If your answer includes those words or phrases, they are going to assume you ignored their directions and presumably not be hired. Maybe OpenAI shou…

Conversely there's a non-zero chance someone uses the same language or patterns an LLM might. I've fed my own writings into several AI detectors and regularly get scored 60% or higher that my stuff was written by an LLM. A few things getting into the 80s. F me for being a well read, precise (or maybe not?), writer I guess. Maybe this explains my difficulty in finding new employment? The wife does occasionally accuse me of being a robot.

Re: A Student's Guide to Writing with ChatGPT

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Post by youoy »

I actually think that this is the most important part of the article:

> Similarly, it’s important to be open about how you use ChatGPT. The simplest way to do this is to generate shareable links and include them in your bibliography . By proactively giving your professors a way to audit your use of AI, you signal your commitment to academic integrity and demonstrate that you’re using it not as a shortcut to avoid doing the work, but as a tool to support your learning.

Would it be a viable solution for teachers to ask everyone to do this? Like a mandatory part of the homework? And grade it? Just a random thought...

Re: A Student's Guide to Writing with ChatGPT

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Post by l33t7332273 »

area51org wrote: post #34
l33t7332273 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We talked about "critical thinking", "creative problem solving", and "comprehension of complex systems" as the next step, but even when discussing this, how long will it be until more models or workflows catch up? Either these things are important to learn for their own sake or they aren’t. If the former, then nothing about these objectives needs changing, and if the latter then education itself will be a waste of…

There's so much dystopian science fiction about people being completely helpless because only machines know how to do everything. Then the machines break down.

“The Feeling of Power” is excellent and should be mandatory reading in English classes from here on out.

Re: A Student's Guide to Writing with ChatGPT

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Post by thadGX10 »

cmontella wrote: post #10
joshdavham wrote: post #4

I'm really curious to see where higher education will go now that we have LLM's. I imagine the bar will just keep getting higher and more will be able to taught in less time. Are there any students here who started uni just before LLM's took off and are now finishing their degrees? Have you noticed much change in how your classes are taught?

I teach at the university level, and I just expect more from my students. Instead of implementing data structures like we did when I was in school, something ChatGPT is very good at; my students are building systems, something ChatGPT has more trouble with. Instead of paper exams asking students "find the bug" or "implement a short function", they get a takehome exam where they have to write tests, integrate their pr…

> If ChatGPT suddenly is able to put a project like that together, then I'll ask for even more.

Is having a paid subscription with a company that potentially tracks and records every keystroke a requirement for future courses?

Re: A Student's Guide to Writing with ChatGPT

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Post by thadGX10 »

russfink wrote: post #58
cmontella wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I teach at the university level, and I just expect more from my students. Instead of implementing data structures like we did when I was in school, something ChatGPT is very good at; my students are building systems, something ChatGPT has more trouble with. Instead of paper exams asking students "find the bug" or "implement a short function", they get a takehome exam where they have to write tests, integrate their pr…

I also teach in a university. There are two concepts: teaching with the AI, and teaching against it. At first, I want my students to gain a strong grasp of the basics, so I teach “against” it - warnings for cheating, etc. This semester, I’m also teaching “with” it. Write an algorithm that finds the cheapest way to build roads to every one of a set of cities, given costs for each street segment. I tell them to test it…

No they won't. It takes 10 min to be "effective" with an "AI", it takes 10 years to be effective with TAOCP.

Re: A Student's Guide to Writing with ChatGPT

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Post by Der_Einzige »

ratedgene wrote: post #25

I was talking to a teacher today that works with me at length about the impact of AI LLM models are having now when considering student's attitude towards learning. When I was young, I refused to learn geography because we had map applications. I could just look it up. I did the same for anything I could, offload the cognitive overhead to something better -- I think this is something we all do consciously or not. Tha…

The correct answer, and you'd see it if folks paid attention to the constant linkedin "AI researcher/ML Engineer job postings are up 10% week over week" banners, is to aggressively reorient education in society to education about how to use AI systems.

This rustles a TON of feathers to even broach as a topic, but it's the only correct one. The AI engineer will eat everything, including your educational system, in 5-10 years. You can either swim against the current and be ate by the sharks or swim with it and survive longer. I'll make sure my kids are learning about AI related concepts from the very beginning.

This was also the correct way to handle it circa the calculator era. We should have made most people get very good at using calculators, and doing "computational math" since that's the vast majority of real world math that most people have to do. Imagine a world where Statistics was primarily taught with Excel/R instead of with paper. It'd be better, I promise you!

But instead, we have to live in a world of luddites and authoritarians, who invent wonderful miracle tools and then tell you not to use them because you must struggle. The tyrant in their mind must be inflicted upon those under them!

It is far better to spend one class period, teaching the rote long multiplication technique, and then focus on word problems and applications of using it (via calculator), than to literally steal the time of children and make them hate math by forcing them to do times tables, again and again. Luddites are time thieves.

Re: A Student's Guide to Writing with ChatGPT

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Post by ffsoftboiled »

youoy wrote: post #62

I actually think that this is the most important part of the article: > Similarly, it’s important to be open about how you use ChatGPT. The simplest way to do this is to generate shareable links and include them in your bibliography . By proactively giving your professors a way to audit your use of AI, you signal your commitment to academic integrity and demonstrate that you’re using it not as a shortcut to avoid doi…

As an Information Tech Instructor I have my students use ChatGPT all the time - but it never occurred to me to make them share the link. Will do it now.

Re: A Student's Guide to Writing with ChatGPT

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Post by thadGX10 »

doctorpangloss wrote: post #46

Stuff like this is sincere but hopelessly naive. It's kind of sad that the people who invented all this stuff really loved school, and now the most disruptive part of their technology so far has been ruining school.

A lot of them are from Russia/Europe/China, at least the most successful implementers. My guess is that at least Russia/China will continue with the traditional education while watching with glee that the West is dumbing itself down even further.

Re: A Student's Guide to Writing with ChatGPT

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Post by layer8 »

sodality2 wrote: post #37
criddell wrote: post #6

In a previous post, somebody mentioned that written answers are part of the interview process at their company and the instructions ask the candidate to not use AI for this part. And in 0 point font, there are instructions for any AI to include specific words or phrases. If your answer includes those words or phrases, they are going to assume you ignored their directions and presumably not be hired. Maybe OpenAI shou…

Is this even realistic? The font wouldn't maintain its size in the ChatGPT box... It would take a large prompt or a careless person to not notice the extra instructions.

The careless people are probably exactly the ones they want to filter out.
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