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Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by FredPret »

wikiperson wrote: post #74
FredPret wrote: post #29

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This is so tiresome. If you’re reading this you’re privileged. Somewhere on this planet is a single individual human who is the very unluckiest and most unfortunate. Everyone else is privileged. Even that guy is lucky to be alive now and not 1000 years ago. None of this makes OP wrong.

Yet, it doesn't mean that quitting is always going to be the solution. There are specific conditions that need to be met (sufficient savings, decent possibilities to get a similar job, and so on) in order for quitting to not hurt you financially and professionally. Yes, everyone can be seen as "privileged" if we compare our lives to how it was back then, but that doesn't dismiss the issue.

It doesn't dismiss the issue because it doesn't perfectly solve the problem for all people everywhere.

But that fact doesn't mean it's a real solution many can and should try (or threaten to try).

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by cweagans »

teddyh wrote: post #46
irrational wrote: post #41

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Or, they are aware of what Emacs can do and still consider it to not be a real option for other reasons.

They would have to be rather specific and specialized reasons, and they did not specify anything of the kind, just “Go and Python”.

I don't think anyone is arguing that emacs is *incapable* of being a good editor for Go and Python. I personally just don't want to. These same reasons are as applicable to emacs as they are to (neo)vim (which I used as my daily driver for a while).

1. I don't really want to bother with a DSL for configuring my editor (even if the language is usable outside of that context for other things)

2. I don't have time to bother with maintaining extensive configuration to get the level of code completion/refactoring/etc that I expect from a modern IDE (nor do I want to have to stop what I'm trying to work on to debug a problem with my config)

3. I don't want to have to research various plugins and stuff to provide functionality that I get out of the box with VS Code (or other editors)

4. I don't want to have a bespoke environment that only I understand when I'm trying to collaborate with my teammates

Don't get me wrong: I think digging into emacs and/or (neo)vim is a valuable thing to do and that everybody probably *should* do it at some point (even if only as an academic exercise), but to assert that they are a viable path for everyone is ignoring the reality that some people simply aren't interested in investing that time/effort into getting their tools working.

One can argue whether or not that stance is a good one or not, but you're just debating personal preferences and priorities at that point.

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by cocodill »

gorbachev wrote: post #76
curiousgal wrote: post #33

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Let's suppose that's true, so what? Is Putin Satan now? I don't see anyone rushing to boycott US companies over its state policy... Intellij is a great product, I would still use it even if it were Israeli.

"Is Putin Satan now?" Yes.

This is especially funny to read from someone who calls himself gorbachev here.

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by elashri »

brazzledazzle wrote: post #39
awestroke wrote: post #22

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Believe it or not, ignorance is not the main reason people don't use emacs

The main reason is that Vim is better, right?

Amen to that. Although I think I feel like I am participating in a war I don't want to be part of.

But this has been a line in my shell config since I was teenager.

  export EDITOR=vim VISUAL=vim  # Viva vim, death to emacs

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by [deleted] »

teddyh wrote: post #6

> We are primarily a Go and Python shop, which means our only real option is VSCode I’d like to echo the sentiments of Reddit user tikhonjelvis, who commented¹: “Man, I knew CS programs were skimping on Emacs fundamentals, but I hadn't realized it was this bad.” 1. https://old.reddit.com/r/ExperiencedDevs/comments/1gqj7qa/my... >

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Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by cweagans »

hayertjez wrote: post #49
pluc wrote: post #12

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I quit over principles about 9 months and 800 job applications ago. I'd advise not to do it unless you're sitting on a pile of cash.

Are you over reacting or really 800 job applications? An accomplishment for putting so many applications out!

It's not a stretch. The job market is terrible and has been for some time. I was 400-500 applications into my job hunt when I *finally* found something and that was at the end of 2022. It has gotten worse since then.

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by kgeist »

ziddoap wrote: post #69
tartoran wrote: post #47

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It's in the original post: >The official reason given was that Jetbrains has Russian ties. No amount of arguing could get leadership to reverse the decision.

The original post says nothing about "the people behind the curtains whose names are in no legal papers are in fact still the same people with close ties to putin and his inner circle." , which is the sentence that comes directly after phplovesong says "from what I've heard"

All 135 mln ethnic Russians seem to have close ties to Putin, from what I understand reading Western media.

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by pluc »

ffsm8 wrote: post #65
pluc wrote: post #12

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I quit over principles about 9 months and 800 job applications ago. I'd advise not to do it unless you're sitting on a pile of cash.

When such a situation occurs you're meant to start searching for a new job, not turn in your resignation immediately.

I'd say it depends on the situation and how much you value your principles but to each its own.

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by stackghost »

llm_trw wrote: post #64
stackghost wrote: post #53

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>Meanwhile, everyone else is wasting months getting up to speed on the latest and greatest thing every 8 years or so. Yeah I used to think this way, because you're right: becoming proficient in emacs takes significant effort and time. But becoming proficient in VS code takes maybe 25 minutes. 25 minutes to change IDEs every 8 years or so doesn't seem like an onerous requirement to me. Emacs just has extremely poor de…

>But becoming proficient in VS code takes maybe 25 minutes. Becoming proficient in kicking a ball takes 5 minutes. Becoming proficient in football takes slightly longer. Magit alone makes VS Code look like a child's finger painting.

>Magit alone makes VS Code look like a child's finger painting.

Magit is indeed a great git client, but I don't see what that has to do with emacs having bad defaults and an out of box experience that could be charitably described as antique.

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