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Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Believe it or not, ignorance is not the main reason people don't use emacs

People who write “our only real option is VSCode” about Python and Go programmers are ignorant of what Emacs can do. Some people may prefer something else, but Emacs is a real option.

Or, they are aware of what Emacs can do and still consider it to not be a real option for other reasons.

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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I've seen so many editors come and go, and yet I've been using Vim for the past 20 years and have never had a problem. As stupid as it sounds, if I could give one piece of advice to any entry level SWE, it would be to learn Vim or Emacs and just stick with it for your whole career.

I find this and the emacs sentiment really weird. I use vim daily for quick edits, but for any sizeable codebase, especially new/unfamiliar, IDE's are just better. It's like depriving yourself of a bunch of tools and helpers for no visible benefit.

Since I graduated, I've had people try to sell me on the following editors, which were going to be the future: BBEdit, TextMate, Sublime Text, Atom, Komodo Edit, NetBeans, and Eclipse.

Each was going to kill Emacs.

Somehow, I think I'll be using a version of Emacs until the day I can no longer type.

Meanwhile, everyone else is wasting months getting up to speed on the latest and greatest thing every 8 years or so.

This adds up over a career.

Oh, and by the by, this was written in Emacs using GhostText as the link between Firefox and Emacs.

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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I've seen so many editors come and go, and yet I've been using Vim for the past 20 years and have never had a problem. As stupid as it sounds, if I could give one piece of advice to any entry level SWE, it would be to learn Vim or Emacs and just stick with it for your whole career.

But this is people that use their autocomplete, F8 step through debugging and the like. I was like that about 20 years ago, working with Eclipse and later NetBeans for Java and Visual Studio for C# .net v1 (anyone remembers whole tomato extensions?). I needed the IDE , the autocomplete, the debugger and all that. Nowadays, I do mostly Vim and Vscode for more complex projects. I don't know why, but I "grew out" of nee…

Are you using Vim and VSCode in plain text for everything? Or do you still like the language server, syntax highlighting and the like?

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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> We are primarily a Go and Python shop, which means our only real option is VSCode I’d like to echo the sentiments of Reddit user tikhonjelvis, who commented¹: “Man, I knew CS programs were skimping on Emacs fundamentals, but I hadn't realized it was this bad.” 1. https://old.reddit.com/r/ExperiencedDevs/comments/1gqj7qa/my... >

Believe it or not, ignorance is not the main reason people don't use emacs

Thinking VS Code is their only option though? (To support two wildly popular languages too.)

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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> We are primarily a Go and Python shop, which means our only real option is VSCode I’d like to echo the sentiments of Reddit user tikhonjelvis, who commented¹: “Man, I knew CS programs were skimping on Emacs fundamentals, but I hadn't realized it was this bad.” 1. https://old.reddit.com/r/ExperiencedDevs/comments/1gqj7qa/my... >

Doctor mode...

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People who write “our only real option is VSCode” about Python and Go programmers are ignorant of what Emacs can do. Some people may prefer something else, but Emacs is a real option.

Or, they are aware of what Emacs can do and still consider it to not be a real option for other reasons.

They would have to be rather specific and specialized reasons, and they did not specify anything of the kind, just “Go and Python”.

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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IIRC jetbrains was a russian company, backed by people close to putin. Then they "migrated" away from russia (jetbrains users are 90% westerners) to avoid losing their users, and even made some blog post about it, but from what i have heard the people behind the curtains whose names are in no legal papers are in fact still the same people with close ties to putin and his inner circle.

'from what I have heard'? From where?

It's in the original post:

>The official reason given was that Jetbrains has Russian ties. No amount of arguing could get leadership to reverse the decision.

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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The perspective here in Russia is diametrically opposite. The common opinion is that JetBrains has completely severed its ties with Russia and appears to have pro-Western, probably European management: they don't sell in Russia anymore, and recently they have started silently deleting licenses of users who appear to have Russian IPs as detected by their license server. Local companies have to use proxies.

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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I know this is so common to say that it's a joke at this point but... I'd just quit. If people in my company are making sweeping decisions that I disagree with (how much they are based in reality aside), I would just leave. If the company isn't aligning with you on something you feel passionately about, just leave. There are oodles of companies out there that would align with you on this.

I quit over principles about 9 months and 800 job applications ago. I'd advise not to do it unless you're sitting on a pile of cash.

Are you over reacting or really 800 job applications? An accomplishment for putting so many applications out!

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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IIRC jetbrains was a russian company, backed by people close to putin. Then they "migrated" away from russia (jetbrains users are 90% westerners) to avoid losing their users, and even made some blog post about it, but from what i have heard the people behind the curtains whose names are in no legal papers are in fact still the same people with close ties to putin and his inner circle.

Putin has nothing to do with it, pretty sure he doesn’t even know who they are. JetBrains founders are Russians, but they registered the company in Prague as their goal was foreign markets from the beginning and it was much safer to do business there than in 90’s Russia. Most of their programmers and RnD were Russians, they had close ties with several top Russian Universities to hire students from there. But yes, in 2022 they were told by their Western customers that they have to leave if they want their products to be bought, and JB evacuated from Russia, relocated people and fired those, who refused to leave, blocked Russian customers and in some cases terminated their ongoing licenses, forced their employees to cut any cooperation with Russia (their head of Kotlin decided to quit the company due to this policy and returned to Russia). And since then the quality of JB products has dropped noticeably, they had to cancel some of their products, looks like they still struggle to replace those people they’ve lost and Western companies still refusing to work with them due to a mass amount of ethnic Russians still in place.
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