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Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by Buttons840 »

subhro wrote: post #4
willio58 wrote: post #3

I know this is so common to say that it's a joke at this point but... I'd just quit. If people in my company are making sweeping decisions that I disagree with (how much they are based in reality aside), I would just leave. If the company isn't aligning with you on something you feel passionately about, just leave. There are oodles of companies out there that would align with you on this.

I hope you understand how privileged you are to be able to say that and hopefully do what you say.

Being in a position to point out the privilege of another is itself quite a privilege.

There is rarely a suggestion given in modern society that doesn't assume a good amount of privilege, and pointing this out every time isn't helpful.

I welcome suggestions that can help those who cannot simply quit, but you didn't give such a suggestion, which is why I say it wasn't helpful.

Accusing people of privilege is a dead end. A person who has been accused of privilege is left without direction. It is better to say "what about these other people" than to say "you're privileged", because it directs attention to the other people. It avoids accusation and focuses attention on those in need.

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by pluc »

willio58 wrote: post #3

I know this is so common to say that it's a joke at this point but... I'd just quit. If people in my company are making sweeping decisions that I disagree with (how much they are based in reality aside), I would just leave. If the company isn't aligning with you on something you feel passionately about, just leave. There are oodles of companies out there that would align with you on this.

I quit over principles about 9 months and 800 job applications ago. I'd advise not to do it unless you're sitting on a pile of cash.

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by Freak_NL »

phplovesong wrote: post #7

IIRC jetbrains was a russian company, backed by people close to putin. Then they "migrated" away from russia (jetbrains users are 90% westerners) to avoid losing their users, and even made some blog post about it, but from what i have heard the people behind the curtains whose names are in no legal papers are in fact still the same people with close ties to putin and his inner circle.

Where have you heard about these people whose names are in no legal papers? Is the source credible? Is there any proof?

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by pomatic »

toprerules wrote: post #9

I've seen so many editors come and go, and yet I've been using Vim for the past 20 years and have never had a problem. As stupid as it sounds, if I could give one piece of advice to any entry level SWE, it would be to learn Vim or Emacs and just stick with it for your whole career.

Can you offer up a .emacs that provides the same functionality as say, PHPstorm? I've tried, and not been able to reach that level of functionality.

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by stackedinserter »

phplovesong wrote: post #7

IIRC jetbrains was a russian company, backed by people close to putin. Then they "migrated" away from russia (jetbrains users are 90% westerners) to avoid losing their users, and even made some blog post about it, but from what i have heard the people behind the curtains whose names are in no legal papers are in fact still the same people with close ties to putin and his inner circle.

> IIRC jetbrains was a russian company, backed by people close to putin

Who are these people?

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by criddell »

toprerules wrote: post #9

I've seen so many editors come and go, and yet I've been using Vim for the past 20 years and have never had a problem. As stupid as it sounds, if I could give one piece of advice to any entry level SWE, it would be to learn Vim or Emacs and just stick with it for your whole career.

I'd give the opposite advice. Learning a new editor is fun and thankfully they are mostly inexpensive. You will build up a suite of editors that you use in different contexts and be able to talk about the differences based on experience and not just dogma.

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by twelve40 »

toprerules wrote: post #9

I've seen so many editors come and go, and yet I've been using Vim for the past 20 years and have never had a problem. As stupid as it sounds, if I could give one piece of advice to any entry level SWE, it would be to learn Vim or Emacs and just stick with it for your whole career.

I find this and the emacs sentiment really weird. I use vim daily for quick edits, but for any sizeable codebase, especially new/unfamiliar, IDE's are just better. It's like depriving yourself of a bunch of tools and helpers for no visible benefit.

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by felixgallo »

phplovesong wrote: post #7

IIRC jetbrains was a russian company, backed by people close to putin. Then they "migrated" away from russia (jetbrains users are 90% westerners) to avoid losing their users, and even made some blog post about it, but from what i have heard the people behind the curtains whose names are in no legal papers are in fact still the same people with close ties to putin and his inner circle.

'from what I have heard'? From where?
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