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Re: Show HN: Proxmox VE Helper Scripts

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Post by sigseg1v »

evoke4908 wrote: post #35

I doubt you have a whole lot of control over this, but this website is misery to use on a phone. Browsing scripts gives you six or ten tiles per page, navigation buttons are only in the header. There are no page numbers or any indication of progress. At a glance, there appears to be no way of filtering or sorting, although there is some arbitrary grouping being applied in the middle of the list. Also the script descr…

Not sure if we're seeing the same site but this site is better than 90% of the web when accessed via mobile for me. No page number when navigating forward/back through scripts, true, but I doubt you want to go through more than 1 or 2 pages without searching first. Search worked for me and turned up what I wanted on the first hit. Descriptions being 3 lines is pretty much the best it can do with the limited screen space; to improve this I feel you would need dedicated summarized content for mobile, which is a price that most platforms don't want to pay. Your description made me think that this was in the bottom 1% of mobile sites but honestly it's above average.

Re: Show HN: Proxmox VE Helper Scripts

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Post by tombert »

daqnz wrote: post #15
tombert wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've pretty thoroughly drunk the NixOS Kool-aid. For awhile I ran Docker Swarm with a bunch of SBCs, then k8s, then just a big server running Ubuntu + Cockpit, then Proxmox, until I have finally settled on NixOS. NixOS has decent container support if necessary, but I've found that its declarative nature means I almost never bother with containers. "Uninstalling" something is generally as simple as "remove it from the…

Any reason you didn't go NixOS in a Proxmox VM? The advantage would not be having to do a full reinstall if anything went wrong and being able to spin up other OS' if needed. The downside would be a few percentage of performance loss.

NixOS takes a snapshot on every rebuild, which happens pretty much every time you install something or change a configuration setting, meaning that if I screw something up, generally all I have to do is reboot and choose the previous generation.

Of course I could install NixOS inside Proxmox, but part of the appeal of NixOS is that everything in the system is managed by the configuration.

Re: Show HN: Proxmox VE Helper Scripts

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Post by heatmiser »

prettyStandard wrote: post #2

A bit of a tangent. I've been trying to manage libvirt& Unraid through terraform, but have run into issue after issue. I'm about given up, and will just manage the virtual machines manually... What's the virtualization technology on proxmox? What's the advantage to using something like this as opposed to terraform or salt stack or Ansible?

You can split the difference with the Proxmox provider for Terraform[1]. The workflow would be:

- provision VMs with Terraform - configure/maintain your VM with something like Ansible

The provider also allows your to schedule LXC if you'd like to target that instead.

[1]: https://github.com/Telmate/terraform-provider-proxmox

Re: Show HN: Proxmox VE Helper Scripts

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Post by heatmiser »

m463 wrote: post #48
sgc wrote: post #17

I have been looking into setting up my first Proxmox box, here is my take as a newcomer. I wanted to do what I think is a very basic and very common setup: Modem > proxmox box > OPNsense VM > physical wifi router via onboard 10Gb NIC + internal network VMs like OMV etc. The goal is to add a full network filter via OPNsense, and allow access to a media sever and backup etc from the internal network. I see no OPNsense,…

I run proxmox and have set up VLANs. The router port to the proxmox machine is set up for tagged packets that isolate incoming/outgoing traffic. After that my VMs and Containers are easily set up to "live" on one or more networks. For me the firewall rules on the router determine what traffic can be relayed between vlans through the router. I'm pretty sure you could set up opnsense running in a container or vm to do…

i have a similar setup with a PM box and a Ubiquiti Dream Machine Pro. i provision VMs with a Terraform provider, have a script that processes Terraform outputs into an Ansible inventory INI file to handle configuration. i find it pretty straightforward and could take it further by scripting my VLAN setup but changes so infrequently i don't mind doing it manually.

Re: Show HN: Proxmox VE Helper Scripts

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Post by RealStickman_ »

heatmiser wrote: post #83
prettyStandard wrote: post #2

A bit of a tangent. I've been trying to manage libvirt& Unraid through terraform, but have run into issue after issue. I'm about given up, and will just manage the virtual machines manually... What's the virtualization technology on proxmox? What's the advantage to using something like this as opposed to terraform or salt stack or Ansible?

You can split the difference with the Proxmox provider for Terraform[1]. The workflow would be: - provision VMs with Terraform - configure/maintain your VM with something like Ansible The provider also allows your to schedule LXC if you'd like to target that instead. [1]: https://github.com/Telmate/terraform-provider-proxmox

How good and complete are any of these providers for Proxmox? If the ratio holds (4/10 I checked), I'd have to look more closely at about a third of the providers, just based on their latest release date.

Re: Show HN: Proxmox VE Helper Scripts

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Post by zokier »

midtake wrote: post #56

What capabilties does Proxmox have that are missing from simple KVM? Just a web interface?

KVM is just kernel side of things, it's not full vmm by itself, you always need some userspace application too. Firecracker, Qemu, Cloud-Hypervisor are some vmms built on top of kvm.

While qemu is common way of using kvm, but running qemu directly is quite annoying. So you have stuff like libvirt and proxmox as wrappers around qemu.

Re: Show HN: Proxmox VE Helper Scripts

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Post by BodyCulture »

Unfortunately until this day Proxmox doesn’t support full disk encryption oob, despite using the word „Enterprise“ in the first paragraph of their website. Yes, you can go your own way and install on an encrypted Debian, but you will miss important features and are on your own. It all comes down to ZFS not treating FDE as a first class citizen.

Very sad state of affairs.

Re: Show HN: Proxmox VE Helper Scripts

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Post by IseardMi »

crimsonnoodle58 wrote: post #75
IseardMi wrote: post #74

I have been using Proxmox VE for several years now and have most of my services running as docker containers in one VM. This always bothered me because I wanted to be able to control the individual services and their backup jobs using the Proxmox interface. After checking out these scripts I already moved a couple services (Caddy and Wireguard) over to LXC containers and am very impressed by how easy it was to do. Ba…

Careful. I too thought about this, but docker containers have the following benefits over the LXC scripts: - Updates and automatic upgrades between major versions. - The developer who wrote the software created the container (most of the time), this means its a supported environment. Also, as they have the insight into the application and future upgrades the environment has been setup correctly for each version. If y…

Oh yeah I definitely won't be doing this for all my containers, the majority will stay within my VM. However it is worth noting that in many cases the LXC scripts install most of the required packages by adding their official repositories, so this seems like a well supported way of doing this.

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Post by sgc »

daqnz wrote: post #31
sgc wrote: post #17

I have been looking into setting up my first Proxmox box, here is my take as a newcomer. I wanted to do what I think is a very basic and very common setup: Modem > proxmox box > OPNsense VM > physical wifi router via onboard 10Gb NIC + internal network VMs like OMV etc. The goal is to add a full network filter via OPNsense, and allow access to a media sever and backup etc from the internal network. I see no OPNsense,…

There is no OPNSense script I think historically in part because any misconfig could expose the Promox instance to the world. It is easy enough for advanced users to spin up a VM with the ISO. There has been a request for a OPNSense script made recently. I agree with OMV. It certainly can be used as is, but not usually how people want to use it. A note was added to the script a few days ago. > I don't see any glue sc…

Great, now I am down the tailscale rabbit hole and just have to use it!

I think I will stick to using proxmox virtual ports to create my network so I can more easily only stick to individual device registration in tailscale and save on that overhead when I'm home, but then also add tailscale /headscale into the mix somewhere so I can tap in via VPN when I am out of the house.

Tailscale and OPNsense are more difficult to get working together due to conflicting project goals (one blocks well, the other opens up well), but it looks like it's worth it to me.

Re: Show HN: Proxmox VE Helper Scripts

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Post by j45 »

daqnz wrote: post #26
j45 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Different technologies are for different approaches and applications. It's relatively trivial to use the pve command line utility to create or modify vms in proxmox. Still, the originating reason of this post is due to a large number of useful scripts to help make things more manageable and maintainable, and the founder of it having to step away, and there being gratitude for their help to make things much more manag…

> Still, the originating reason of this post is due to a large number of useful scripts to help make things more manageable and maintainable Also makes it very quick to try out an application, arguably less time than even docker.

Absolutely.

Docker is a step or two away from packaging installers for the masses.

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