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Mom jailed for letting 10-year-old walk alone to town

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Re: Mom jailed for letting 10-year-old walk alone to town

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When I was 9 back in 1991, we lived in the Keflavik Navy Station, and my 12 year old sister and I would ride our bikes all over the base. We'd frequently ride to the youth center which was over a mile from our apartment. The next year, we moved back to Virginia Beach, and I'd frequently ride my bike by myself to the video rental store about 3/4 a mile away. Are kidnappings really more common now than then? Aren't mos…

That is really ironic how many scold parents for being helicopter parents whilst saying kids today are weak because they didn't do shit they themselves did.

But, it could also be an age-old thing where people who were neglected as kids has some kind of savior complex. The Swedish character Pippi Longstocking in the TV series (probably also in the books from 1945) was hounded by a "nanny" character that wanted to put her into a childrens home since she was living on her own, so perhaps these occurrences aren't new.

Re: Mom jailed for letting 10-year-old walk alone to town

#112

I don’t know what is up with the USA and its obsession that kids cannot have autonomy. I think many of us grew up where our parents didn’t know our location at all times. My parents used to tell me to be home by a certain time, but I used to roam the neighborhood, go get candy at the gas station, explore the forest. Maybe it is a sign of the eroding social trust in the USA where people do not believe that others in t…

I don't know if you can can say the entire USA has an "obsession" with preventing children from being autonomous based on this one incident. That's too much of a generalization. There are obviously people who do think that way. But there are also a lot who do not, including the mother, who said "I was not panicking as I know the roads and know he is mature enough to walk there without incident."

This situation is ridiculous, of course. But the USA is huge, and you can probably find pretty much any or every attitude and approach to life here.

Re: Mom jailed for letting 10-year-old walk alone to town

#113

Good old USA of course. There was another body cam footage of an eldery woman who was arrested for merely walking along the road. I don't blame anyone in the story, this is yet another symptom of the US sprawl, car centric culture, and capitalism that leaves people desperate without any safety net. Take care of people's basic needs and you might see crime drop.

Meh. Were it not for [reason.com] I have come to assume this kind of nanny-state behavior in Australia and the UK; certainly not in a place like rural Georgia.

Re: Mom jailed for letting 10-year-old walk alone to town

#114
post #75

I don’t know what is up with the USA and its obsession that kids cannot have autonomy. I think many of us grew up where our parents didn’t know our location at all times. My parents used to tell me to be home by a certain time, but I used to roam the neighborhood, go get candy at the gas station, explore the forest. Maybe it is a sign of the eroding social trust in the USA where people do not believe that others in t…

See, the USA has 350 million people, and fifty states with materially different local norms. With this scale and amount of variety, "one in a million" freak incidents ought to be registered all the time. But, being freak incidents, they get amplified and thus seem to represent the entire country in the eyes of distant observers, foreigners, or just people from far enough away within the US. Ironically, this is the sa…

> With this scale and amount of variety, "one in a million" freak incidents ought to be registered all the time.

I’m not sure “one in a million” and “freak incident” is the right mental model with this case.

What is noteworthy that a whole series of people, most of them professionals, thought an unatended child walking is noteworthy and they should do something about it. The busybody who thought they should report it, then the sherif who thought they should respond to that report then further thought they should do something about it and then further thought to go back and arrest the parrent, then the other officer who didn’t say “hey what are you doing, are you ok?”, then the child protection services who recommended the tracking app, and then the prosecutor who provides the legal muscle to back this insanity.

Yes it might be a one in a million freak event that all these people assembled themselves into a conga line of crazyness. But they had these beliefs even before the boy started walking. How many others have similar ideas to them? You think these 5 are the only ones?

Re: Mom jailed for letting 10-year-old walk alone to town

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> A few days later, DFCS presented Patterson with a "safety plan" for her to sign. It would require her to delegate a "safety person" to be a "knowing participant and guardian" and watch over the children whenever she leaves home. The plan would also require Patterson to download an app onto her son's phone allowing for his location to be monitored. Monitored by whom? This is insane.

It's wild to me that the fact that he has his own phone isn't considered security enough. Surely by 10 or 11 years old, the kid knows how to call for help if he needs it.

Wasn't that many years ago, children didn't have phones when away from the house...

Re: Mom jailed for letting 10-year-old walk alone to town

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> A woman who saw him walking alongside the road—speed limit: 25 in some places, 35 in others—asked him if he was OK. He said yes.

> Nevertheless, she called the police.

Yeah, but which road was this?

From Street View for Mineral Bluff, Ga:

1. Murphy Highway-- no sidewalks, a lot of parts with no shoulder whatsoever, no protection for a walker even on parts with small shoulder

2. Mineral Bluff Highway-- somehow even less shoulder than Murphy Highway. I see a guardrail that would force a pedestrian to walk about a foot away from traffic

3. Railroad Road-- I'd guessing this road has lower volume traffic. But it's still extremely hostile to pedestrians-- only shoulder is either deep grass or a large ditch that's unwalkable. So the kid would have been forced to walk directly in the road for most of this

#1 and #2, woman absolutely did the right thing calling police.

#3? If low volume, meh. Still dangerous, though.

Re: Mom jailed for letting 10-year-old walk alone to town

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post #8

When I was five years old I would walk along a path and take a bridge across a river to visit my friend to play board games. By the time I was nine I was bicycling forty-five minutes to school on a 80 km/h road. The level of paranoia that's infected people around keeping kids near their parents is insane.

Yes, but. For all of the happy survivor stories like yours (and mine), the reality is that the rate of child accidental deaths has steadily decreases over the past few decades as parents (and society) became more protective. That isn't to say I agree with over-parenting and eliminating independence -- I don't -- but there needs to be rationality applied as well as personal values.

> the reality is that the rate of child accidental deaths has steadily decreases over the past few decades as parents (and society) became more protective

While accidental deaths are down, I wouldn’t be so quick to conclude this is because of parents/ becoming more protective so much as society collectively implementing regulations and safety standards that target specific things that are known to be highly dangerous. The list of these targeted changes is extremely long, but some top mentions:

- Safer car and booster seats. Cribs, toys, and other household items.

- Advances in healthcare and access to vaccinations.

- Better education for caregivers around drowning prevention, safe sleeping practices, etc.

- Childproofed products like wall outlets, cabinet locks, baby gates, etc.

- Stricter rules and education on smoke and carbon monoxide detection.

- Road safety initiatives ranging from seatbelt and child restraints laws to anti-DUI programs.

- Improved consumer protections and communication of product recalls.

And the list goes on.

Re: Mom jailed for letting 10-year-old walk alone to town

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post #8

When I was five years old I would walk along a path and take a bridge across a river to visit my friend to play board games. By the time I was nine I was bicycling forty-five minutes to school on a 80 km/h road. The level of paranoia that's infected people around keeping kids near their parents is insane.

> 80 km/h road

Non-American detected

Please use Google Street View on the roads coming in to Mineral Bluffs, Ga, USA. No bike lines, and we're not even keen on emergency shoulder for cars and trucks!

Re: Mom jailed for letting 10-year-old walk alone to town

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Does anybody else get a feeling that this is fake? Reason is the only source (other news outlets just link to this article), there is no comment from the DA or the sheriff nor any documents or mention of official documentation that could corroborate the story. And the GoFundMe has very little info
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