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Completely ignorant question, but what does it come down to? What if I released this feature but didn't call it "hearing aid", nor positioned it as medical device? Is a phone with optical zoom, a "vision-enhancing device" and regulated like eye wear?
A malfunctioning hearing aid/earbud can potentially cause permanent hearing damage. Unless it explodes, a misbehaving phone can't damage your vision.
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#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
The FDA has to certify the devices for use as hearing aids in the U.S Other countries have similar regulatory bodies the certify the use of a medical device. Hearing aids (and things sold as it) are medical devices.
So what? You file the paperwork, pay for it and you get the certification. They decided that they won't do that in India. This is all. They even did that in Germany and the whole world know how much of a hassle it had to be...but Germany has a more significant market share and potential than India so....we all know it's just about the money.
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#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
The FDA has to certify the devices for use as hearing aids in the U.S Other countries have similar regulatory bodies the certify the use of a medical device. Hearing aids (and things sold as it) are medical devices.
Fair enough - that certainly explains the situation in the US, where they were allowed. It just seemed surprising to me that every country in the world has medical device certification for anything that calls itself a hearing aid, forcing apple to restrict it to just 2 or 3 countries. You'd think in some it would be linked to what's covered by state medical care, or sold with a particular emblem or... Actually, could…
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
A malfunctioning hearing aid/earbud can potentially cause permanent hearing damage. Unless it explodes, a misbehaving phone can't damage your vision.
Non sequitur. You could say that about any high quality set of headphones since they're capable of much higher power output than hearing aids.
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
So what? You file the paperwork, pay for it and you get the certification. They decided that they won't do that in India. This is all. They even did that in Germany and the whole world know how much of a hassle it had to be...but Germany has a more significant market share and potential than India so....we all know it's just about the money.
It is all just about the money. Or India's government could have given a special waive. But Apple is a private company, private companies usually do things for money.
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
The FDA has to certify the devices for use as hearing aids in the U.S Other countries have similar regulatory bodies the certify the use of a medical device. Hearing aids (and things sold as it) are medical devices.
Fair enough - that certainly explains the situation in the US, where they were allowed. It just seemed surprising to me that every country in the world has medical device certification for anything that calls itself a hearing aid, forcing apple to restrict it to just 2 or 3 countries. You'd think in some it would be linked to what's covered by state medical care, or sold with a particular emblem or... Actually, could…
Insurance won't cover it. Until you're completely disabled or retired, you're stuck paying for hearing aids out of pocket. $2500 or more, apiece.
The patent situation around hearing aid features in airpods and other headsets is the responsibility of the hearing cartel - the 5 largest hearing aid companies that collude to maintain this status quo, prevent meaningful competition, innovation, or alleviation of the plight of the hearing disabled.
These people are preying on some of the most vulnerable people worldwide and the US government is complicit in it. There is no valid, rational basis in fact for the medical device classification or the rationalizations used to justify it. People "might" damage their hearing? Liability disclaimers work for literally every other possible product. Maybe, just maybe, people are capable of adjusting an equalizer on their own, and those who can't or don't want to, can go to an audiologist. Dialing in hearing aids isn't particularly difficult, and the dangers are obvious and easy to avoid.
This is a world where people go to concerts and make other decisions injurious to their hearing health, and most of the time, the bands aren't required to disclaim liability or even notify of the potential danger, but if you want to correct your hearing, you're shit outta luck unless you pay through the nose.
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#28Does this reset itself after a certain amount of time or is it one and done? I'd be worried about the feature being removed when the iPad or airpods decide they've been in India for too long.
Nope, its a one time thing. When the feature is enabled, a flag is set on the iCloud account, so you can travel anywhere and have it work. At the same time, a EQ profile is pushed to the transparency mode of the Airpods, enabling the hearing aid features.
Once done, it sticks with the Airpods, unless you reset them.
However, an interesting quirk is that if you enable this on someone's airpods, and _their_ device/account does not have it 'available', they wont be able to tweak the settings on their device.
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fair enough - that certainly explains the situation in the US, where they were allowed. It just seemed surprising to me that every country in the world has medical device certification for anything that calls itself a hearing aid, forcing apple to restrict it to just 2 or 3 countries. You'd think in some it would be linked to what's covered by state medical care, or sold with a particular emblem or... Actually, could…
That would definitely invite lawsuits. Do you think competitors who sell hearing aids for $2500 today would allow Apple to sell their $200 device without medical device certification?
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Is it a regulatory issue? Could it be the hearing aid feature has an AI/voice recognition component trained on certain languages when it runs the "enhancement"? (no idea, just wondering, since the apple page had zero details)
The FDA has to certify the devices for use as hearing aids in the U.S Other countries have similar regulatory bodies the certify the use of a medical device. Hearing aids (and things sold as it) are medical devices.