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Standing desk might be as bad as sitting all day

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Re: Standing desk might be as bad as sitting all day

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post #96

The whole thing is bad. We're chimpanzees chained to desks and they're trying to figure out if it's the chair that's killing us.

now working in home office I'm barely sitting for longer than half an hour except for meetings. even back in the gulag office i was walking around all the time.

Re: Standing desk might be as bad as sitting all day

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The sad thing is that we could reduce the work week to three or four days and be perfectly fine. Yet we're not doing it.

Absolutely. I think shorter work weeks not only support mental and physical health but actually boost productivity!

And they would very likely be better for the environment.

Re: Standing desk might be as bad as sitting all day

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post #75

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I remember reading something that your baseline consumption when standing is 140 calories/h vs 120 when seating. Definitely too marginal to have any sort of impact on obesity.

If those numbers are accurate then it would equate to a difference of about 2lb (1kg) of fat per year. That's a pretty typical rate of weight gain for many adults.

My math is a bit different. Assuming a 20 Cal/hr difference, a 40 hr working week, 52 weeks/year, 7700 Cal per kg of weight loss:

20*40*52/7700=5.4 kg/year

Surprisingly large. Did I mess something up?

Re: Standing desk might be as bad as sitting all day

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post #121

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Humans are nothing like chimpanzees physiologically. Homo sapiens has a semi-aquatic mammal build.

Perhaps we should transition to in-office swimming pools with floating desks

If you can't work in home office the company workspace would look like in matrix :D .

Re: Standing desk might be as bad as sitting all day

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post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember reading something that your baseline consumption when standing is 140 calories/h vs 120 when seating. Definitely too marginal to have any sort of impact on obesity.

If those numbers are accurate then it would equate to a difference of about 2lb (1kg) of fat per year. That's a pretty typical rate of weight gain for many adults.

The body is pretty good at regulating the amount of energy we spend. Any increase at your desk is likely to be offset sometime else in your day.

Re: Standing desk might be as bad as sitting all day

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> The researchers found no association between time spent standing and the risk of cardiovascular disease, suggesting standing desks and similar work postures might not be enough to stave off the health problems associated with sitting around. I always assumed it was also probably pretty good for my back and neck - I'd love to see a study on that.

The title is a bit misleading, "standing desks don't improve risks of cardiovascular disease" would have been better. I would wager it did nothing for my chances of getting cancer, skin moles, or being hit by a car either, yet that doesn't mean they are "as bad as sitting" I personally switched only for my posture, and it mostly fixed my issues with neck and back. I never thought it had any other benefits than that.…

> I personally switched only for my posture, and it mostly fixed my issues with neck and back

You should invest in good chair and desk.

Re: Standing desk might be as bad as sitting all day

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post #135
post #121

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Perhaps we should transition to in-office swimming pools with floating desks

Comedy Central landed on that solution six years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwQRXSvgm5o

I fear that it wouldn't work well in a British office due to the toaster limitation.

Re: Standing desk might be as bad as sitting all day

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post #63

Here's an article [1] from a few years ago from Cornell ergonomics researchers that is still relevant the discusses the pluses and minuses of both sitting and standing desks. Here is their recommendation: > Sit to do computer work. Sit using a height-adjustable, downward titling keyboard tray for the best work posture, then every 20 minutes stand for 8 minutes AND MOVE for 2 minutes. The absolute time isn’t critical…

That essentially reads to me as "you can't both be focused on computer work and be active enough to be healthy" Break my concentration EVERY 20-30 minutes to move around for at least 2 minutes? That's at least halving my productivity. It's a total non-starter. It's the sort of advice that everyone pays lip service to, but almost no one is actually able to follow.

That is the optimum frequency — if you just wanna reap in the health benefits it could look like:

    0 min: start working
    
    10 min: refactored a few things, get a glas of water, look out of the window
    
    40 min: started working on a particular though problem, somewhat stuck, get up and stretch a little while thinking
    
    60 min: found a good solution to though problem, keep it in your head, goto kitchen get another glas of water
    
    120 min: after an hour of uninterrupted flow the though problem is solved, stand up, get a cup of tea, think about whether it is really adequately solved
    
    etc.   
Every twenty minutes makes it sound as if you are a slave to the clock and interrupt the flow just whenever — but if you want to make this work you just have to find the spots where standing up feels natural and do it. Those don't have to be exactly 20 minutes apart. Even just standing up once is already better than staying put for hours.

I program myself and found a change of perspective and bodily motion in the right spots can help concentration, not break it, especially in the long run. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. If you have a variable height desk, you can also alternate between sitting and standing, which can also help as you now have at least two different resting poses with slightly different kinds of strain.

Re: Standing desk might be as bad as sitting all day

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post #143
post #75

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If those numbers are accurate then it would equate to a difference of about 2lb (1kg) of fat per year. That's a pretty typical rate of weight gain for many adults.

My math is a bit different. Assuming a 20 Cal/hr difference, a 40 hr working week, 52 weeks/year, 7700 Cal per kg of weight loss: 20*40*52/7700=5.4 kg/year Surprisingly large. Did I mess something up?

Nit: 1 Calorie (capital C) == 1000 calories (lowercase c) == 1 kcal. 1 kCal == 1,000,000 calories, which probably isn't what you meant.
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