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Standing desk might be as bad as sitting all day

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Re: Standing desk might be as bad as sitting all day

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post #44

The article is a bit shortsighted as it seems to only measure the benefits of standing through cardiovascular risk outcomes. As someone with recent lower back issues - a musculoskeletal issue - I can tell you I would prefer to stand for most of the day.

It's not being short-sighted, it's reporting on a study that measured specific cleanly measurable things. The goal isn't to be comprehensive, it's to precisely measure one thing.

Re: Standing desk might be as bad as sitting all day

#112
post #63

Here's an article [1] from a few years ago from Cornell ergonomics researchers that is still relevant the discusses the pluses and minuses of both sitting and standing desks. Here is their recommendation: > Sit to do computer work. Sit using a height-adjustable, downward titling keyboard tray for the best work posture, then every 20 minutes stand for 8 minutes AND MOVE for 2 minutes. The absolute time isn’t critical…

That essentially reads to me as "you can't both be focused on computer work and be active enough to be healthy" Break my concentration EVERY 20-30 minutes to move around for at least 2 minutes? That's at least halving my productivity. It's a total non-starter. It's the sort of advice that everyone pays lip service to, but almost no one is actually able to follow.

    > That's at least halving my productivity.
That is bold claim, and I struggle to believe it. Are you writing from the perspective of "flow"? In my experience, the people who talk the most about "flow", are the ones who are trying to avoid communicating with teammates / managers.

Re: Standing desk might be as bad as sitting all day

#114

My idea to solve all this would be to change how computing is done. We don't talk about radical disruptive ideas enough these days. What if we don't have to interact with computers from a stationary position at all? VR headsets are one direction that might help with this, but in my view there is another way. Decouple peripherals and computing units fully. You'd carry around with you a battery unit that will charge di…

So ... a cellphone plus random screens available to cast to plus a Bluetooth keyboard small enough to wear on your arm.

Re: Standing desk might be as bad as sitting all day

#115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That essentially reads to me as "you can't both be focused on computer work and be active enough to be healthy" Break my concentration EVERY 20-30 minutes to move around for at least 2 minutes? That's at least halving my productivity. It's a total non-starter. It's the sort of advice that everyone pays lip service to, but almost no one is actually able to follow.

> That's at least halving my productivity. That is bold claim, and I struggle to believe it. Are you writing from the perspective of "flow"? In my experience, the people who talk the most about "flow", are the ones who are trying to avoid communicating with teammates / managers.

We're trying to avoid communication with teammates and managers because it breaks flow. All the engineers on my team understand this, generally send me chat messages to kick off a convo, and do not expect instant replies. I offer them the same courtesy. Re-establishing context after an interruption takes a tremendous amount of energy.

Now, admittedly, standing up for a stretch does not break my flow. Neither does walking around my house or doing the dishes. Generally it's talking to another human that'll do it every time. Light exercise should be more than possible to work into your day once it becomes familiar and routine.

Re: Standing desk might be as bad as sitting all day

#116
post #56

It's best to do 10 squats every 45 minutes regardless of sitting or standing. https://x.com/foundmyfitness/status/1788991915633045809

I wonder if after the standing desk fad now we'll have a squatting desk fad.

Maybe we'll go back to kneeling chairs.

Re: Standing desk might be as bad as sitting all day

#117

If we’re not supposed to sit more than 10 hours a day, and not supposed to stand more than 2 hours then how are we supposed to spend the other 4 hours when we’re not sleeping? I can’t imagine being on a treadmill or exercise bike for than length of time

Humans are probably meant to hunt, forage, or socialize for most of the day.

Re: Standing desk might be as bad as sitting all day

#118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That essentially reads to me as "you can't both be focused on computer work and be active enough to be healthy" Break my concentration EVERY 20-30 minutes to move around for at least 2 minutes? That's at least halving my productivity. It's a total non-starter. It's the sort of advice that everyone pays lip service to, but almost no one is actually able to follow.

> Break my concentration EVERY 20-30 minutes to move around for at least 2 minutes? That's at least halving my productivity. I approximately never need to focus to the level that standing up and pacing a bit would evict state, let alone need to focus like that for for over a half hour at a time. And I think if I was focusing like that, I'd probably just forget to take a break.

Time for HN = time to move a little. Done.

Re: Standing desk might be as bad as sitting all day

#119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That essentially reads to me as "you can't both be focused on computer work and be active enough to be healthy" Break my concentration EVERY 20-30 minutes to move around for at least 2 minutes? That's at least halving my productivity. It's a total non-starter. It's the sort of advice that everyone pays lip service to, but almost no one is actually able to follow.

You can keep working with your (aka thinking) head while moving around. Sometimes change or setting can give birth to now ideas or approaches.

Not necessarily. I can sometimes take my problem with me and sometimes that's even the best thing to do, but not always and certainly not every 20 minutes. If you're in a typical office environment it's a complete non-starter as someone at the water cooler will smash your flow into tiny pieces.

Re: Standing desk might be as bad as sitting all day

#120

Study argues that movement is better than a static position (standing or sitting). Shocker. What they're obviously missing is that when you're at a standing desk, the friction to engaging in some kind of movement is drastically decreased (unless you're talking about spinning). While I stand at my desk, I frequently find myself pacing, jogging in place, stretching, etc. I don't have to first GET UP OUT OF A CHAIR .

I stand, often on one leg with the other one laid on the desk with bent knee. Like a flamingo.

I also take care to move constantly, flexing hips, squatting, twisting spine.

It's desk yoga.

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