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Standing desk might be as bad as sitting all day

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Re: Standing desk might be as bad as sitting all day

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Post by grues-dinner »

fragmede wrote: post #61
grues-dinner wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like the hand terminals from The Expanse which you can flick onto any nearby display. Which I dearly would like to see, but the protocol and security implications make my head hurt.

Apple doesn't have the "flick" UI for it, but you can screen share a Mac to Apple TV, so I'm able to use my TV as a monitor with no trouble. The security boundary is that all devices need to be logged into the same wifi, maybe also iCloud.

Right but that's the point, isn't it? If you have a single manufacturer with complete control of the devices and software on both ends and you own the devices and have a single trusted network or authentication service it can work (but still not exactly easy to implement). But that's not the hypothetical in question - for that to be a reality, you have to have it work pretty much anywhere, on any network (or a way to negotiate an adhoc private network) and on virtually any third party IO hardware.

And that's before you get to the possibility of the gym treadmill screen or coffee shop keyboard or whatever being a hostile device. Which they would easily be if people were going to use the system for something of high value as opposed to casting YouTube to the treadmill screen. Which may be a little bit of a data leak opportunity as it stands, but it's not quite a screencast of your banking account, complete with key log.

Re: Standing desk might be as bad as sitting all day

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Post by dagmx »

carlgreene wrote: post #20
0xEF wrote: post #6

Maybe we need to, I dunno, rethink the way we work in general. Stop chasing silver bullets and admit that movement is medicine. Reading articles like this reminds me of the people I've watched exhaust every possible option for weight loss save for mindful eating and exercise.

Completely agree with you. However, what does this mean for a software engineer or anyone who must be in front of a computer for extended periods of time? I’ve moved to biking everywhere and daily walks with the dogs, but still have 8 hours where I’m mostly sedentary

I change positions throughout the day (Apple Watch is good for reminding to move)

But also for me , if I’m at home, I take my dog for walks during the day and just make up the time later if needed. It breaks things up.

Or if I’m in the office I go for thinking walks to plan out what I’m doing

Re: Standing desk might be as bad as sitting all day

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Post by dagmx »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #12

“ standing for long periods of time might not be much better than sitting after all” Well duh, if you trade one sedentary all-day posture for another sedentary all-day posture it’s not likely to be of much benefit. The point of standing desks is to vary posture during the day and being able to choose to stand or sit while continuing to work gives you one more way to achieve this. Mix with breaks and walks and it’s st…

Yes, this, I stand during meetings and sit while working. It helps a ton.

Re: Standing desk might be as bad as sitting all day

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Post by insomagent »

0xEF wrote: post #6

Maybe we need to, I dunno, rethink the way we work in general. Stop chasing silver bullets and admit that movement is medicine. Reading articles like this reminds me of the people I've watched exhaust every possible option for weight loss save for mindful eating and exercise.

I usually go out for a cigarette break a few times during the day, keeps me moving.

Re: Standing desk might be as bad as sitting all day

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Post by skirmish »

krior wrote: post #38
carlgreene wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Completely agree with you. However, what does this mean for a software engineer or anyone who must be in front of a computer for extended periods of time? I’ve moved to biking everywhere and daily walks with the dogs, but still have 8 hours where I’m mostly sedentary

Try to get movement in whenever possible. Take the stairs, pace around during calls (when you do not share an office). Get up and stretch between "work segments". And my favorite new tool: A skipping rope that I use whenever I feel too tired/ like my concentration is breaking / I do not want to do, what I currently have to do. (Mind you, there is a storage room big enough next to my office room that is right above th…

I once got a bright idea to climb up the stairs to the 13th floor where our office was located. Once I got there, I found that doors can only be opened from the inside, so I climbed 13 floors down and took an elevator up again like a good little sheep.

Re: Standing desk might be as bad as sitting all day

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Post by kyriakos »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #12

“ standing for long periods of time might not be much better than sitting after all” Well duh, if you trade one sedentary all-day posture for another sedentary all-day posture it’s not likely to be of much benefit. The point of standing desks is to vary posture during the day and being able to choose to stand or sit while continuing to work gives you one more way to achieve this. Mix with breaks and walks and it’s st…

Not requiring camera on during calls proved very good for my health. During calls I get up and walk around the house. Bluetooth works quite well if you don't go too far. As a bonus I keep better concentration in the call than just sitting in front of the screens which are a source of distraction.

Re: Standing desk might be as bad as sitting all day

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Post by fragmede »

grues-dinner wrote: post #81
fragmede wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple doesn't have the "flick" UI for it, but you can screen share a Mac to Apple TV, so I'm able to use my TV as a monitor with no trouble. The security boundary is that all devices need to be logged into the same wifi, maybe also iCloud.

Right but that's the point, isn't it? If you have a single manufacturer with complete control of the devices and software on both ends and you own the devices and have a single trusted network or authentication service it can work (but still not exactly easy to implement). But that's not the hypothetical in question - for that to be a reality, you have to have it work pretty much anywhere, on any network (or a way to…

My point is that the underlying technology is there, in a way that's accessible to users, so it's just a matter of use case and implementation and the market for such technology. If all you think about is the reasons it won't work, then you'll never try. Some great companies have come from people that didn't know they shouldn't try.

As far as technology though, Airplay is what macOS uses to project the video, and there are open source implementations out there that you could run on a raspberry pi. As far as wanting it to work everywhere, if Apple supported Chromecast it would probably work more places, since Google licenses that technology so it's already on a lot of TVs and projectors.

I'm not imagining using this in very many places other than my home and any office locations where I have wifi, but there are standards like wifi-direct where you wouldn't even need that.

I'm only transmitting video, the keyboard/mouse is connected to my device via Bluetooth, so the worst a malicious device could do is record video that I'm transmitting, which, if I don't want people to see the video I'm transmitting, I should not transmit it in the first place.

Re: Standing desk might be as bad as sitting all day

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Post by grues-dinner »

fragmede wrote: post #87
grues-dinner wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right but that's the point, isn't it? If you have a single manufacturer with complete control of the devices and software on both ends and you own the devices and have a single trusted network or authentication service it can work (but still not exactly easy to implement). But that's not the hypothetical in question - for that to be a reality, you have to have it work pretty much anywhere, on any network (or a way to…

My point is that the underlying technology is there, in a way that's accessible to users, so it's just a matter of use case and implementation and the market for such technology. If all you think about is the reasons it won't work, then you'll never try. Some great companies have come from people that didn't know they shouldn't try. As far as technology though, Airplay is what macOS uses to project the video, and the…

> I don't want people to see the video I'm transmitting, I should not transmit it in the first place.

Lol, you tell me I'm looking for reasons it won't work (when I'm the one saying how cool it would be, just incredibly hard to do) and you're the one limiting the concept to a toy home office setup. Good one.

Dare to dream outside of your daily experience.

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