Reiser4 is still in development and it is the successor to ReiserFS. It's probably a good idea to rename the filesystem in order to remove as much as possible any historical ties to Hans Reiser. It's time to move on and forget about Hans.
ReiserFS and the Art and Artist Problem
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#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
If a murderer creates a file system/energy source/mouse trap that is effectively better than all of the alternatives, and generates value to the world, what he did in his personal life is effectively moot. There is no ethics problem involved in choosing the best solution to a problem, when that solution exists.
ReiserFS hasn't been the best solution in a long, long while. Even before the murder case it was often more trouble than it was worth.
Yeah most major distros that used it (like OpenSuse) moved away before the murder case.
His wife was reported missing in September 2006. OpenSuse dumped it in October 2006. She wasn’t feared dead yet. He was arrested April 2008.
By the time he was even a suspect, his work had already been dropped because it was not reliable enough.
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#63Maybe I am too numb, but I do not see problem here. People in prison should be allowed to work. He is serving his sentence. Where is the problem? One day he will be out of prison. Does it mean he should never ever be allowed to work again? US has a problem with "prison vengeance", where prisoners are not allowed to even have a TV. But it would be cheaper and decrease overall crime. Current prison system is just raisi…
I've read that the American prison system is punitive instead of rehabilitative. The punitive system has a higher reincidence level, which I guess is good if you want to keep a specific portion as indentured servants.
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#64Hey, I made this. It uses OpenAI voices for Hans and others, which some found too robotic. The topic on my mind around this was: in the large, like MJ or Woody Allen, it's hard to make a call on the art vs. artist. But in the small, it's much easier because people aren't divided into domains. It's all mixed together. And if you can't work with people, if you can't be a team player you limit your abilities. ReiserFS4…
> The topic on my mind around this was: in the large, like MJ or Woody Allen, it's hard to make a call on the art vs. artist Why do people think this is a dichotomy, or a call to be made in the first place? Instead of artist being an inseparable part of the art itself? Chuck Tingle put it pretty well: > strange when buds talk on 'separate the art from the artist'. a painting is not just a square that ends at canvas e…
One of the great thinkers of our time.
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#65The premise of this post is incorrect. ReiserFS stuck around for almost two decades after his crime. The reason it’s being removed has very little to do with his crime and more to do with the stability and maintenance capabilities of it. For reference, his wife was missing in 2006. He was prosecuted in 2008. It was deprecated in 2022 and scheduled to be removed in 2025. How does someone believe that it’s due to his h…
That's not entirely fair, being included in the trunk of linux for a long time is normal even if something is unused... I know people were avoiding ReiserFS because of its indeterminate future in the backtrack linux 2.0 days (March 2007).
It's a cart and horse problem, nobody wants to use it because they think there's no investment, since developing it could be seen outside as being an indemnification of the person.
Lack of use means that less people even want to invest in developing it further, making it take a back seat, which then leads to even fewer scenarios where it's used, because it's not competitive, and so on.
The Linux kernel rarely removes stuff. This is not something that should be taken as a measure of support; If we want to track reiserFS properly we must follow the commits before prosecution and after, along with some usage trends would paint a real picture.
There's a whole host of dead things in Linux (AFS, which even Apple doesn't support for nearly 2 decades) that isn't removed yet.
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#66You can like the work but hate the jerk. The real question comes when you decide whether to financially support a jerk's work.
So once a jerk artist is dead and can no longer benefit from their work, it becomes easier to consume their art without moral concern?
There can still be a moral concern if the artist is seen as a (role) model / genius and consuming / promoting their art causes the artist to be seen as a model for longer, potentially making it look like what they did is okay or forgiven given the art. We totally need a strong signal that doing good art doesn't forgive or allow being a jerk so jerks are not encouraged to take this path.
Another thing to have in mind: beside moral concerns, often, you can't separate the artist form the art because the art reflects the artist; you'd miss out on the interpretation of the art.
(I have Picasso in mind)
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#67Hey, I made this. It uses OpenAI voices for Hans and others, which some found too robotic. The topic on my mind around this was: in the large, like MJ or Woody Allen, it's hard to make a call on the art vs. artist. But in the small, it's much easier because people aren't divided into domains. It's all mixed together. And if you can't work with people, if you can't be a team player you limit your abilities. ReiserFS4…
> It uses OpenAI voices for Hans and others I usually shun AI because of the numerous hallucinations, but it’s the first time I think “that’s fucking gross.” I mean, what’s the point of faking everything? Especially when it’s a murderer?
The quotes are direct quotes. No LLM involved, just using TTS models OpenAI released.
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#69Reiser4 is still in development and it is the successor to ReiserFS. It's probably a good idea to rename the filesystem in order to remove as much as possible any historical ties to Hans Reiser. It's time to move on and forget about Hans.
Edward really should have renamed it. By the way it's been reiser5 all of this current decade: https://marc.info/?l=reiserfs-devel&m=157780043509663&w=2
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#70ReiserFS is named after the author, which is an oddity among file systems or open source projects in general. I wonder if it would have seen further development if it had been named something else.
Debian = Debra + Ian
MySQL and MariaDB, named for the children of the founder. Similar vein.
ffmpeg (first F is for Fabrice Bellard)
DJBdns; named for Daniel (J) Bernstein...
There's a few.