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ReiserFS and the Art and Artist Problem

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Re: ReiserFS and the Art and Artist Problem

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Post by cybrexalpha »

ensignavenger wrote: post #6
aristus wrote: post #2

You can like the work but hate the jerk. The real question comes when you decide whether to financially support a jerk's work.

So once a jerk artist is dead and can no longer benefit from their work, it becomes easier to consume their art without moral concern?

Yes.

H. P. Lovecraft is a good example from literature. He was profoundly racist, even beyond the cultural norms of his time. However, as he has long since passed away buying and amplifying his works do not further his views and causes.

A modern counterexample would be J. K. Rowling. Where supporting her works and properties does directly contribute to furthering her prejudices in a very real way.

Re: ReiserFS and the Art and Artist Problem

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Post by marcodiego »

aristus wrote: post #2

You can like the work but hate the jerk. The real question comes when you decide whether to financially support a jerk's work.

Bill Gates multi decade marriage came to an end after his closeness with Epstein became public. I don't think anyone stopped buying ms software because of it.

Ok, he no longer works there, but I'm sure he still benefits from it.

Re: ReiserFS and the Art and Artist Problem

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Post by mattbee »

adamgordonbell wrote: post #3

Hey, I made this. It uses OpenAI voices for Hans and others, which some found too robotic. The topic on my mind around this was: in the large, like MJ or Woody Allen, it's hard to make a call on the art vs. artist. But in the small, it's much easier because people aren't divided into domains. It's all mixed together. And if you can't work with people, if you can't be a team player you limit your abilities. ReiserFS4…

ReiserFS4 didn't get merged because of his empathy issues, and those issues are also presumably contributors to his murdering his wife.

Man, I have worked with some egotistical programmers and given some bad performance reviews. But "could also be a murderer" never crossed my mind.

Re: ReiserFS and the Art and Artist Problem

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Post by throw894389 »

Maybe I am too numb, but I do not see problem here.

People in prison should be allowed to work. He is serving his sentence. Where is the problem? One day he will be out of prison. Does it mean he should never ever be allowed to work again?

US has a problem with "prison vengeance", where prisoners are not allowed to even have a TV. But it would be cheaper and decrease overall crime. Current prison system is just raising more criminals.

Re: ReiserFS and the Art and Artist Problem

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Post by Aurornis »

mrweasel wrote: post #14
donatj wrote: post #5

Some part of me always assumes people are innocent. I think I just see too much of myself in others and when they commit some act I never would it seems genuinely outside reality. I remember vividly being a very tech-involved twenty year old, extremely excited about Reiser4 when this all came to light and thinking "There's no way he did it! They don't even have a body, they don't even know she is dead" right up until…

> Some dumb part of me that always thinks people are innocent. You're not alone. Hans Reiser is one of two people where I had the notion that "Why would he do that? That makes no sense." The other one is Peter Madsen (the Danish submarine guy), he had a few month earlier been part of a TV show about find some German WWII u-boat, where he was absolutely brilliant and entertaining. For ReiserFS a large part of the issu…

> where he was absolutely brilliant and entertaining.

When I was young and naive I thought con artists would be easy to spot: They would be obviously bad people and they would lie in everything they said.

The challenge with successful con artists is that they tend to be very charismatic. They might also tell the truth 99% of the time. Telling mostly truths is the key to building trust, after which they can slip in a lie here and there and it will go unquestioned.

This is a major problem in pop-culture science and health discourse right now. There are a lot of podcasters and bloggers who spend most of their time repeating simple and undeniable truths (exercise is good, you should eat more vegetables, getting sleep makes you feel better, going outside is a good idea) and therefore build up a lot of trust. Then they'll change gears to wacky alternative medicine ideas and slip them in between all of the obvious truths. For people who consume hours of their podcasts every week, those alternative medicine and pseudoscience claims are hard to identify among all the other simple truths.

Re: ReiserFS and the Art and Artist Problem

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Post by karmakaze »

I didn't know about this aspect of the filesystem. Seems like WinFS executed better than Windows Longhorn/Vista.

> Hans: Reiser4 is not only a file system. It is a software framework for creation, assembly, and customizing file systems.

> It’s a bit hard for me to understand his vision. But I think its a bit like replaces a file based system with a database, where files can easily be searched and indexed and have metadata and plugins can add whole new ways of seeing the file system layer. It’s a lot.

Re: ReiserFS and the Art and Artist Problem

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Post by Kye »

pixl97 wrote: post #33
ensignavenger wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If financially supporting said murderer allows them to continue to possibly murder more, then I would say there is a moral dilemma. Less so when the murderer is in jail and unlikely to ever really benefit from your using said solution.

I mean if they are a murderer then would not the legal system put them in jail? Also if they serve their sentence are they not adjudicated?

Not if they can afford lawyers to build enough layers between them and the people who pull the lever.

Re: ReiserFS and the Art and Artist Problem

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Post by JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B »

adamgordonbell wrote: post #3

Hey, I made this. It uses OpenAI voices for Hans and others, which some found too robotic. The topic on my mind around this was: in the large, like MJ or Woody Allen, it's hard to make a call on the art vs. artist. But in the small, it's much easier because people aren't divided into domains. It's all mixed together. And if you can't work with people, if you can't be a team player you limit your abilities. ReiserFS4…

> It uses OpenAI voices for Hans and others

I usually shun AI because of the numerous hallucinations, but it’s the first time I think “that’s fucking gross.”

I mean, what’s the point of faking everything? Especially when it’s a murderer?

Re: ReiserFS and the Art and Artist Problem

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Post by psychoslave »

ensignavenger wrote: post #6
aristus wrote: post #2

You can like the work but hate the jerk. The real question comes when you decide whether to financially support a jerk's work.

So once a jerk artist is dead and can no longer benefit from their work, it becomes easier to consume their art without moral concern?

First thing is to differentiate with how long the person is dead.

For example, when I accompanied my daughter class to a museum last year, there was a sewed reproduction of the Minotaur by Picasso (the artist exposed was a woman and this was just a collaboration she made with him). To say the least, the history behind the work is not the most glamorous. Would you explain the context to a 7 years class? But Picasso is so close in time, that his direct descendent have financial interest in exploiting the artistic legacy.

Now if you consider some artist like those who made graphic arts in Lasceau cave, of even someone as close and individually nameable as Katsushika Hokusai that died before the world wide madness of "intellectual property", that's a very different matter.

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