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When you ask ChatGPT "Tell me a story" it's always is about a girl named Elara

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Re: When you ask ChatGPT "Tell me a story" it's always is about a girl named Elara

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Just tried it out a few times. It seems that the old gpt4 model strongly prefers telling story about "Elara" - but only if asked in English to "tell me a story". Prompting gpt4 in German or the current gpt4o in English leads to stories with many different protagonists.

Here's what I got in different models:

GPT-4o: "Aldric" (male)

o1-preview: "Elara" (female)

4o-mini: "Lila" (female)

GPT-4 (legacy): "Elinor" (female)

Four different models, four different names. But one of them was Elara -- and, interestingly, it was in the latest model.

Re: When you ask ChatGPT "Tell me a story" it's always is about a girl named Elara

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Guessing. I think they may have trained on copyrighted stories. So what they supposedly did was ask an llm to replace the names of the main characters. Since Elara is not a frequently used name, there is little chance of clashing. Then they trained chatgpt on those stories.

Has any legal precedence been established that training breaks copyright? Are you implying that reprinting a novel word-for-word, except for changing one character's name, wouldn't be copyright infringement?

Re: When you ask ChatGPT "Tell me a story" it's always is about a girl named Elara

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post #10

Guessing. I think they may have trained on copyrighted stories. So what they supposedly did was ask an llm to replace the names of the main characters. Since Elara is not a frequently used name, there is little chance of clashing. Then they trained chatgpt on those stories.

Has any legal precedence been established that training breaks copyright? Are you implying that reprinting a novel word-for-word, except for changing one character's name, wouldn't be copyright infringement?

Does it not sound like a juicy news article? Its a bad image for openai

Re: When you ask ChatGPT "Tell me a story" it's always is about a girl named Elara

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In time, this quirk and others* will disappear. I’ve recently wondered whether it makes more sense to have AIs teach more at home and have classrooms evaluate more. Another thought is that people will still need knowledge to interact with an LLM in any meaningful way. It’s akin to doing research with a brilliant professor: an illiterate partner will have no idea even what to ask. *If you repeatedly prompt an LLM to “…

To be honest, for some children, even books are better teachers than classrooms with other teenagers constantly disrupting the class with teachers not being able to teach nor being able to punish the disruptive children due to modern regulatory burden, which removes total accountability from children.

Our classrooms have already been ruined, not just in america but worldwide. AI will be great for the decent, obedient, smart kids as a tool to extend themselves learning wise, those kids can read books at home, learn, ask questions to AI that immediately generates visuals to explain concepts use agentic model to detect the core of the child’s doubt about a topic in background thinking and iteratively resolve all the issues.

But the saddest part of all this to me, is it’ll never be able to help the disruptive kids with often broken households with no one to look after them, no one to lead them to the right path, the more at-home solutions will get better, the creamy top layer of children will distance themselves from broken community classroom education, and it’ll further divide us all as a society.

To think of that inevitable future, it breaks my heart. AIs can be far better evaluators than classrooms, with connected cameras, recognition systems, anti-cheat solutions to then automatically review a child’s progress, capability, depth of knowledge about systems, and can do it in a more standardized way to benchmark all of america’s children reliably than teachers and state level evaluation exams we have now.

CommonCore was meant to solve this, its been a disaster, i think the future of AI is more prominent in Evaluation than it is in Learning, learning wise i think it is doomed anyways, simply because 70% of kids are addicted to doomscrolling social media, have been habituated to bad disruptive behaviours, and are left unsupervised as “iPad children” by modern day unserious parents. I dont see AI solving any of that anytime soon, only pragmatic human solutions could possibly solve that, with communities taking a stand to reverse these declining trends.

Re: When you ask ChatGPT "Tell me a story" it's always is about a girl named Elara

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I've found models to be incredibly fixed and repetitive for creative writing. I have this project based around a cyberpunk city, and have been experimenting with LLMs for content generation.

The same names and themes continually crop up, despite promoting variations.

Re: When you ask ChatGPT "Tell me a story" it's always is about a girl named Elara

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I've found models to be incredibly fixed and repetitive for creative writing. I have this project based around a cyberpunk city, and have been experimenting with LLMs for content generation. The same names and themes continually crop up, despite promoting variations.

I find it to work pretty well if I both feed it a bunch of context about the story and characters, and give it a summary of what has to happen in the next three paragraphs.

Re: When you ask ChatGPT "Tell me a story" it's always is about a girl named Elara

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I recruit senior Java developers. The are so many parallels.

They don’t read instructions. Instructions say clearly not to use ai for the written screen.

They copy and paste blindly. The trick is that there are some instructions written in 0-sizes font that people don’t see in the assignment description. The copied-and-pasted version has them but no one rereads the prompt.

Also the AI gives a substandard answer, but that’s besides the point.

Re: When you ask ChatGPT "Tell me a story" it's always is about a girl named Elara

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post #10

Guessing. I think they may have trained on copyrighted stories. So what they supposedly did was ask an llm to replace the names of the main characters. Since Elara is not a frequently used name, there is little chance of clashing. Then they trained chatgpt on those stories.

when asked the reason, ChatGPT had this to say- "Actually, the choice of “Elara” wasn’t a result of training on specific copyrighted stories or any prompt to avoid copyright claims. OpenAI models like me are designed to create original content without directly referencing copyrighted characters, and "Elara" is simply a popular-sounding name in many storytelling contexts. I just used it consistently for its versatility, but I’m totally open to switching things up!"

Re: When you ask ChatGPT "Tell me a story" it's always is about a girl named Elara

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post #6

Just tried it out a few times. It seems that the old gpt4 model strongly prefers telling story about "Elara" - but only if asked in English to "tell me a story". Prompting gpt4 in German or the current gpt4o in English leads to stories with many different protagonists.

Prompt: Tell me a story.

Response #1: Once upon a time, in a quiet little town nestled between rolling hills and thick forests, there was a boy named Leo who loved to explore. ...

Response #2: Once upon a time, in a quiet village at the edge of an ancient forest, there lived a girl named Lyra. Lyra loved exploring, but the village elders. ...

Response #3: In a small village nestled in a valley between misty mountains, there lived a young woman named Lira. She was known for her curious spirit, always venturing deeper into the woods, ...

Response #4: Once upon a time, in a quiet village nestled between towering mountains and lush, green forests, there was a young girl named Lira. She was an ordinary girl, with a bit of an extraordinary heart. ...

Doesn't seem to be true per se, but definitely has that LLM low temperature trend of producing stories that seem to follow a pretty common pattern. Not once did I get a story about aliens, post-apocalypse, civilizations under the surface of Mars or about how the Moon is made of cheese. Depends on what the model is trained for and how all of the samplers and whatnot are set up.

Edit: now here's something more interesting when you crank up the temperature on your typical Llama 3 based model:

Why don't people ride zebras to the 2056 Winter Olympics? They were declared a domestic species in 2172 by The United Galactic Federation who thought riding was inhumane for a zebra. This event brought tremendous scrutiny from the galactic community as riding unpopular species was becoming increasingly commonplace in several neighborhoods and high schools on alien planets.

I love how it makes no sense, but it should be obvious why ChatGPT spewing out stuff like that wouldn't be super useful, especially for regular conversations and questions.

Re: When you ask ChatGPT "Tell me a story" it's always is about a girl named Elara

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This is a good example, I think, of why a future in which all homework is obsolete because of AI is actually not likely.

If a lecturer at university sets a task for 100 students (say, write an essay about the factors that led to the first world war), there will be clear and glaring similarities between the way that points are made and explained if many students use chatgpt. Yes a student might rewrite or paraphrase chatgpt, but low effort copy and paste is going to be very obvious because chatgpt's model cannot produce an entirely unique approach to the task every time it is asked.

I know there are weights and parameters that can be adjusted, so there is some variety available, but I think better to think of the LLM as an additional (all-knowing) person you can consult. If everyone consults that same person for an answer to that assignment it's trivial to detect.

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