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I quit Google to work for myself (2018)

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Re: I quit Google to work for myself (2018)

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It's a lot harder to found a business successfully than most people imagine.

Incorrect. In fact YC’s (i.e. the website you’re on) whole thesis is that it’s a lot easier to found a business successfully than most people imagine. Yeah, they’ve drifted from their roots a little but I think it’s been proved out. The irony is killing me.

80% of businesses fail within 5 years.

Re: I quit Google to work for myself (2018)

#92

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Incorrect. In fact YC’s (i.e. the website you’re on) whole thesis is that it’s a lot easier to found a business successfully than most people imagine. Yeah, they’ve drifted from their roots a little but I think it’s been proved out. The irony is killing me.

80% of businesses fail within 5 years.

Well, less than 1% of lifeforms are born as humans but that doesn’t seem to scare people into not having babies.

Re: I quit Google to work for myself (2018)

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Can you explain how this doesn’t amount to saying “You seem like you’re brave. There’s another option: be a coward.” You don’t seem to be proposing an alternative strategy with equivalent risk/reward dynamics, rather, it seems like what amounts to anathema to entrepreneurship.

some people would rather be well paid, secure cowards than scrappy risk-taking heroes.

But GP is specifically talking to someone who isn’t in that bucket?

Re: I quit Google to work for myself (2018)

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> author seems like they were only there for a promotion It is more the other way around. Internally google taught/teaches engineers that their only goal is promotion. All parts of this used to be very very public. There are whole presentations, decks, docs, and more. What level you are and what level the person you are talking to ~mattered~. The goal isn't to be a good engineer, to make good products, or anything li…

This is just not true, sorry, even now. Google is one of the tech companies known for deemphasizing level visibility and titles. Case in point: almost three years in, and I don't know the levels of many of my colleagues. Though sometimes one can guess.

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Re: I quit Google to work for myself (2018)

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> Your manager doesn’t promote you? > No, managers at Google can’t promote their direct reports. They don’t even get a vote. > Instead, promotion decisions come from small committees of upper-level software engineers and managers who have never heard of you until the day they decide on your promotion. AIUI, nowadays in 2022+ the manager gets the only vote.

It used to be that you would put together your promo packet, which was sent to the promo committee. These days it is your manager who puts together your promo packet. But it is still the promo committee (which doesn't include your manager) that decides whether or not you get promoted.

Technically yes, but "promo committee" has also changed to be your immediate org instead of being independent. Which makes your promo more dependent on your manager's influence.

Re: I quit Google to work for myself (2018)

#96
Congratulations, OP learned about "we expect loyalty and effort from you, but you won't get any from us", which is 99.5% of all companies out there. I hope OP does well on their own and don't have to work in this kind of disingenuous places in the future.

Re: I quit Google to work for myself (2018)

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Will you work for me as a software engineer? I'll pay you $20 an hour, which is vastly more than nearly all of your ancestors throughout history have made. Why is it a dealbreaker? Don't you enjoy software engineering? My point is that human psychology doesn't work that way. You compete with people around you. If they're getting promoted while you're being left behind, you're not going to be very happy about it.

It's less about comparing to your ancestors, more your peers in other industries. If you're getting payed say $40/h, that's muuuuch more than most other jobs, and can give you a comfortable living for quite a while. I agree human psychology is part of it and can help explain someone's mentality, but I don't think human psychology can fully justify someone's behaviour, since humans aren't automatons beholden to their…

Not if you live in a very high cost of living area. Which is where the biggest Google offices are.

Re: I quit Google to work for myself (2018)

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It was senior (L5) that you were expected to reach, not staff. It was revised down to L4. For reference almost all SWE hires start at L3.

> For reference almost all SWE hires start at L3. Straight out of school, yes. With a few years of outside experience and an advanced degree, it is easy to join at L5. Which I think is ideal, no promotion headaches, just focus on interesting work (L6 already starts to be management heavy, so not that attractive).

Yes switching jobs is often a path to "sideways promotion". You have to interview well, but that's something that's learnable - and more under your control in a way, than getting good promotable projects at your current employer.

Re: I quit Google to work for myself (2018)

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80% of businesses fail within 5 years.

Well, less than 1% of lifeforms are born as humans but that doesn’t seem to scare people into not having babies.

Interesting, but I don't get it. Are you saying people aren't scared of having babies even though they can randomly give birth to an ant or an elephant?

Re: I quit Google to work for myself (2018)

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It's a lot harder to found a business successfully than most people imagine.

Incorrect. In fact YC’s (i.e. the website you’re on) whole thesis is that it’s a lot easier to found a business successfully than most people imagine. Yeah, they’ve drifted from their roots a little but I think it’s been proved out. The irony is killing me.

It’s incredibly easy to found/start a business.

It’s incredibly hard to build that beginning into a profitable money machine.

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