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Re: Starship's Sixth Flight Test

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I can't watch every one of these interviews

Then how did you see enough of what he said to state "Maybe. I don't see Elon saying that much. Mostly it's politically charged crap."?

Because what I do see and hear of him is politically charged crap.

Re: Starship's Sixth Flight Test

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Needs tend to develop once the means are there. 200 years ago, there was no need to use electricity. 100 years ago, there was no need to use a programming language. 30 years ago, there was no need for gigabit wireless Internet.

This feels like tautological reasoning. Since you said, "tend" - are there any counter examples that you can think of?

Some marginal ones.

We have the means to build pyramids or moa statues (Easter Island-style) much more quickly and efficiently that the ancients did, but we don't feel the need anymore.

Re: Starship's Sixth Flight Test

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> You're comparing SLS to a fantasy rocket. Incorrect. I also compared SLS to both (a) Falcon 9 and (b) Falcon Heavy. Both of which dramatically outperform it in regular commercial flight. Whereas SLS has had exactly one test flight. And of course Starship exists. It has flown 5 times, which is 4 times more than SLS. And has landed both parts at least once, which is infinitely many times more than SLS ever will. So w…

SLS has flown to the moon and back. Starship hasn't yet flown to orbit.

Flying to the moon is a solved problem.

Full rapid reusability is not.

SpaceX is focusing on the unsolved problem, and making significant progress.

Re: Starship's Sixth Flight Test

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Totally reasonable question. This is the first rocket ever that will (assuming further success) land in its entirety back on the launch pad, refuel, and go back to orbit the same day. Imagine that every time an airliner landed its cockpit was destroyed and you had to build a new one. A fully reusable airplane would be a transformational improvement. That's the level of achievement we're talking about here.

Is there such a need for a heavy launch rocket to launch routinely?

Think about it, Starship enables a new era of military dominance in space. Military stuff is notoriously heavy.

Besides, Elon is the first to go after supervillain territory.

Re: Starship's Sixth Flight Test

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> Not exactly, as the fuel provided in orbit by these other missions will allow a much larger payload to reach the Moon's surface and return. Amortized over the number of launches it takes to get a single moonshot. > StarShip can already deliver a similar payload to orbit as Saturn V But Saturn V's purpose was not getting things to orbit. We have plenty of rockets capable of getting to orbit. And given that satellite…

> Amortized over the number of launches it takes to get a single moonshot. Saturn V was completely destroyed by each launch with only the payload surviving. It's not exactly an apples to apples comparison when you compare # launches. Those 10-15 launches of StarShip will be a lot cheaper than a single Saturn V launch because at the end you still have all the StarShips you launched and all you used was some methane an…

> Those 10-15 launches of StarShip will be a lot cheaper than a single Saturn V launch because at the end you still have all the StarShips you launched and all you used was some methane and oxygen.

Minus the maintenance for the wear-and-tear of expending (ahem) astronomical amounts of energy to propel the largest rocket ever built into space and then return through atmospheric re-entry ten or more times. Just because you have built a machine that might, at scale, be more economical than an expendable rocket does not mean that the economics will actually materialize such that it ever makes sense to realize that scale, especially if you dectuple your expected operating costs.

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