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Practical Radio Circuits (2003) [pdf]

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Re: Practical Radio Circuits (2003) [pdf]

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Post by tessierashpool9 »

michaelt wrote: post #5
jsilence wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Internet via Ham Radio aka Packet Radio is a thing: https://themodernham.com/ip-over-ham-radio-via-new-packet-ra... Pair it with the Gemini protocol and you're there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini_(protocol)

Isn't ham radio no-encryption-allowed, no-commercial-use-allowed?

at the risk of this not flying well with some ham people here but i'd say the heck with those regulations i'm encrypting and that's the end of the story it's called clandestine for a reason after all

Re: Practical Radio Circuits (2003) [pdf]

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Post by bityard »

jsilence wrote: post #3
tessierashpool9 wrote: post #2

i'd love to see some grassroots-powered clandestine para-web running at least partially on radio. obviously such a project would either immediately or at some point face the usual issues like: spam, cp etc. that's why i believe such a network would have to be slow. it would have to be so slow (and just fast enough) for text-based communication and simple protocols. and i mean text as in < 1kB ... not sufficient for t…

Internet via Ham Radio aka Packet Radio is a thing: https://themodernham.com/ip-over-ham-radio-via-new-packet-ra... Pair it with the Gemini protocol and you're there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini_(protocol)

Ham radio is actively unfit for the requirement of "clandestine" for the parent commentor's purpose.

Re: Practical Radio Circuits (2003) [pdf]

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Post by bityard »

tessierashpool9 wrote: post #11
michaelt wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't ham radio no-encryption-allowed, no-commercial-use-allowed?

at the risk of this not flying well with some ham people here but i'd say the heck with those regulations i'm encrypting and that's the end of the story it's called clandestine for a reason after all

"Not flying well" has nothing to do with it. If you are transmitting on the amateur bands without a license, that's illegal. If you do it with any regularity, you are causing interference and some hams are better than you'd think at locating sources of unwanted interference.

There are plenty of other anything-goes bands for you to use, there's literally no reason to do your pirate radio on the ham bands. Except to get those warm fuzzy counter-culture feels I guess.

Re: Practical Radio Circuits (2003) [pdf]

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Post by tessierashpool9 »

bityard wrote: post #13
tessierashpool9 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

at the risk of this not flying well with some ham people here but i'd say the heck with those regulations i'm encrypting and that's the end of the story it's called clandestine for a reason after all

"Not flying well" has nothing to do with it. If you are transmitting on the amateur bands without a license, that's illegal. If you do it with any regularity, you are causing interference and some hams are better than you'd think at locating sources of unwanted interference. There are plenty of other anything-goes bands for you to use, there's literally no reason to do your pirate radio on the ham bands. Except to ge…

then let's go off-ham

Re: Practical Radio Circuits (2003) [pdf]

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Post by tessierashpool9 »

hbrav wrote: post #4
tessierashpool9 wrote: post #2

i'd love to see some grassroots-powered clandestine para-web running at least partially on radio. obviously such a project would either immediately or at some point face the usual issues like: spam, cp etc. that's why i believe such a network would have to be slow. it would have to be so slow (and just fast enough) for text-based communication and simple protocols. and i mean text as in < 1kB ... not sufficient for t…

This should interest you: https://meshtastic.org/

looks interesting. a network of maybe solar-powered scrapped commodity hardware or cheap raspis. maximum of 1kB/sec bandwidth. fully encrypted. no logging. all peer to peer networked. messaging / chat, text-based websites. maybe some simple images (black / white, svg) but optional.

i don't think this would be in and off itself a game changer but it could be a seed for further development of anarchistic technology culture.

Re: Practical Radio Circuits (2003) [pdf]

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Post by seiferteric »

tessierashpool9 wrote: post #2

i'd love to see some grassroots-powered clandestine para-web running at least partially on radio. obviously such a project would either immediately or at some point face the usual issues like: spam, cp etc. that's why i believe such a network would have to be slow. it would have to be so slow (and just fast enough) for text-based communication and simple protocols. and i mean text as in < 1kB ... not sufficient for t…

I always wanted to do something like this with "earth mode" radio. That is, signals sent through the ground. You can put a couple conductors in the ground spaced far apart and send signals into them and it can be picked up miles away apparently. Would be really slow, so probably text only, but also probably no one would notice. I also vaguely wonder if this would still be regulated by the FCC since it's not through the air...

Re: Practical Radio Circuits (2003) [pdf]

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Post by itomato »

tessierashpool9 wrote: post #2

i'd love to see some grassroots-powered clandestine para-web running at least partially on radio. obviously such a project would either immediately or at some point face the usual issues like: spam, cp etc. that's why i believe such a network would have to be slow. it would have to be so slow (and just fast enough) for text-based communication and simple protocols. and i mean text as in < 1kB ... not sufficient for t…

Check out the DigiPi and all it can do.

Re: Practical Radio Circuits (2003) [pdf]

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Post by tessierashpool9 »

seiferteric wrote: post #18
tessierashpool9 wrote: post #2

i'd love to see some grassroots-powered clandestine para-web running at least partially on radio. obviously such a project would either immediately or at some point face the usual issues like: spam, cp etc. that's why i believe such a network would have to be slow. it would have to be so slow (and just fast enough) for text-based communication and simple protocols. and i mean text as in < 1kB ... not sufficient for t…

I always wanted to do something like this with "earth mode" radio. That is, signals sent through the ground. You can put a couple conductors in the ground spaced far apart and send signals into them and it can be picked up miles away apparently. Would be really slow, so probably text only, but also probably no one would notice. I also vaguely wonder if this would still be regulated by the FCC since it's not through t…

that sounds interesting. never heard of that. are those conductors passive? just a mesh of copper wire or sth like that?
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